Why couldn't Bowe do to Golota what Lewis and Tyson did?

imo holyfield was in great shape for Lewis,,,plus imo Lewis still handled Holy in both fights regardless of the decision in the first fight.

your claim that Holy had the punching power of a middleweight at the time is a silly comment dino :rasta

 

One fight doesn't usually suggest a fighter has a weakness for a certain style. Just because Lewis struggled with one tall fighter who boxed well doesn't mean he would always struggle with this style.

I wouldn't say Vitali was all wrong for Lewis as Lewis tended to do well against big tall super heavies as proven in his fights against Golota, Grant, Akinwander and Tucker. But I do think Vitali would always give Lewis a tough fight even prime Lewis. Vitali outboxed Lewis something only happened once before with Bruno and never with the Steward version of Lewis. Vitali would always force Lewis to try and stalk him down.

Bowe didn't just struggle with Golota's jab and movement though. Other fighters like Tyrell Biggs had previously exposed Bowe's flaws and weakness against guys who moved and jabbed him. Then you have the Tubbs fight, the Hide fight, the 2nd fight with Holyfield. Movement and a good jab befuddled Bowe on more than one occasion that suggests Golota who had these attributes combined with his size were wrong for him. I'm sure you'll disagree and come up with a weird comparison to try and prove your opinion, as you always do, but that's how I see it.

 

solid post dude :good

 

If you mean barely handle as in the way Lewis utterly dominated Holyfield in the first fight like he had never been dominated before, then yes he "barely handled" Holyfield.

As for his protector, if Lewis could have gotten it any higher he would have, to protect himself from all the head butts.

 

The fact Lewis refused outright to take the rematch for multi millions tells you everything you need to know. He woild have taken a worse beat down than in the first fight and he knew it.

Unlike Lewis Bowe had the iron ballz to get back in with Golota .

And Bowe looked like a completely different animal against Coetzer and Gonzales.
Tucker was worse than Gonzales who was undefeated and won every fight by stoppage when Bowe battered him.
Bowe looked superior than Tucker Lewis by an absolute land slide.

You can nit pick flaws in fights Bowe won by large all you want , but he was never one shotted out of it by mediocrity - that is a far greater exposure of flaws and weakness on Lewis' part than Bowe ever exhibited.

As I already said yesterday , Holy came back for the rematch with Manny Steward , with a jab given to him by the best and Bowe somehow managed to keep him on the outside easier than the first fight.

The fight should have been stopped when the fan man crashed into the ring and if it did Bowe would have won again.

There is no proof a jab and movement was the key to beat Bowe because he over came that style against the best the sport has ever produced.

I even heard people claim he was lucky to get the win against Donald when he shut Donald completely out 12 to nothing . And prime young Donald was moving around in there like Jimmy Young and would make anybody look bad.

 

Shame Bowe never had the ballz to fight Lewis when he had the title. And you shouldn't mention Golota in regards to Lewis and Bowe, Golota ruined him while Lewis wiped the floor with Golota.

Coetzer was never that good as proven when he was KO'ed by Bruno and a comeback Foreman in his next 2 fights and he didn't jab and move against Bowe, he took the fight to him.

Gonzalez didn't fit the mould either. Sure he was big and tall and preferred to fight from range but he was a big lump and didn't move well and of course he wasn't any good as a pro either.

I'd agree Bowe was better than Tucker but that doesn't mean he'd beat Lewis.

As for Holyfield/Bowe 2, it wasn't a case of Bowe keeping Holyfield at range but more a case of Holyfield following Stewards plan to jab more and move more and not go in and trade as much. Bowe was fine out boxing smaller guys like Evander as he had big advantages in height and reach but a big guy like Golota or Lewis were much harder to deal with and even a small heavyweight like Holyfield and Hide gave him problems when they boxed and moved despite Bowe's size advantage.

At bringing up Larry Donald. Sure he does fit the mould with the jab and movement but he averaged 19 punches per round he wasn't in there to win, more to survive, who throws 19 punches per round! Had Golota thrown 19 punches a round against a faded Bowe, Golota would have lost as well.

 

Three fights with Holyfield, and a lack of discipline to stay in tip-top shape, really knocked the stuffing out of Bowe.

Bowe was already on his way out when he stepped in the ring with Golota.
In turn, the two fights with Bowe probably knocked the stuffing out of Golota too.

 

Past prime , weak Holyfield are Lewis best wins so you can stop right there. Trying to claim Golota as a better win than prime , peak Holy won't fly no matter what way you spin it.
Holyfield at the peak of his powers was a hard hitting technical master boxer. A few inches in height don't make you better than one of the greatest ever at the weight.
It took an extraordinary circumstance for Holyfield to luck out with 1 win out of 3 . When do you ever see a man fly from the sky on a giant fan into the ring ffs.

Regarding Lewis ducking Bowe, thats been debunked on here over and over , i don't know why you can't accept it.

Why would raw Lewis take on Bowe when King told him he could fight a bum and still win the belt on top of making a lot more money?
All he had to do was price himself out and Kings pal in the WBC would have Bowe stripped.
Here is Bowe telling it like it was at 1:01.00 ... 'Lewis hid behind the WBC , he's ducking and dodging'
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If Bowe's word ins't good enough for ya , this quote from Lewis should prove who ducked who beyond all doubt. At 1:05:10

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If he felt like that in 94 , how the hell do you think he must of felt a year before?
He clearly wasn't ready for Bowe who was light years ahead of him. If an unbiased fan like me who has no professional experience could see it , than you can bet your ass his handlers saw it too. Hence why they priced themselves out.

 

"he clearly wasn't ready for Bowe who was LIGHT YEARs ahead of him?"

Dino, you are such a biased dude without even knowing it.

Unless your just trolling having fun and then I understand, lol

 

Who was beating undefeated , Undisputed ATG Champ Holyfield and who was getting one shotted out of it by Tyson's sparring partner ?

 

Bowe was not light years ahead, Lewis made a mistake with McCall and he paid the price.

 

He had gaps , holes and flaws in his game. Ollie exploited them and it only took him two rounds to do it. Bowe would have done the same.

 

I love how you ignore any of my points in my response, as they prove you wrong on so many levels and then you digress to a claim a win over prime Golota is better than a win over peak Holyfield, which is something I have never said. Have you been taking your meds?

Only thing proven about Lewis/Bowe is that Bowe ducked Lewis, in one of the most shameful ducks in boxing history.

Why would Lewis take on a raw Bowe? He'd take him on because he'd kick Bowe's ass worse than Golota did.

Quoting Bowe is hardly proof at all, he clearly is biased as he is trying to put a positive spin on the fact he ducked Lewis by dumping the WBC belt and even then he does a bad job of it. Bowe says it himself he isn't even looking to fight Lewis for at least 12-15 months, he isn't even going to contemplate the fact a fight could happen sooner and blames Lewis for ducking when he and his team say they won't fight him any sooner than that. What kind of crazy logic is that, "Hey Lennox you can't fight me for 15 months, but why you ducking me?" :nut

The quote from Lewis is a response about the level of opposition he was fighting on the way up in 1991 not when Lewis and Bowe were looking to fight. So once again you fail Dino.

Larry Merchant says it the best at the beginning of that video. He says Lewis is the best heavyweight out there and if he isn't "why are American heavyweights tip toeing around him like he is radioactive?" Merchant knew what was going on, he knew Bowe ducked Lewis.

 

One thing that gets overlooked for some reason is just plain old mental illness. Yes, Rock Newman was a piece of sh/t, and yes, Bowe was undisciplined, but Bowe just isn't right in the head. I think he's just unbalanced and unable to focus or move forward with "normal" life as a result.