Why did America lose heavyweight dominance

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  1. Big Tex

    Big Tex Member Full Member

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    America lost heavyweight dominance in boxing because too many top athletes in the U.S. are choosing other professional sports such as football, basketball and baseball in the last twenty plus years.

    Agree or disagree. If you agree, what athlete in the past 20 years might have made a world class boxer. If you disagree, what is your theory for the loss of American dominance in the heavyweight division.
     
  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont think that is the case there were always other sports, boxing is a very tough sport and game and although some have made mega-bucks, others flounder. It is hard to stay in condition and unlike team sports larger mental challenge and then you have the MMA. We also have a larger pool of big men that are now allowed to fight Pro from Eastern Europe and not as many gyms and teachers. With guys like Ali, Quarry, Frazier, Norton,and Hearns and other stars who have shown signs of Brain damage from ring wars the sport is less appealing. In my era we did everything wrong these days they know a lot more of cause and effect.

    Would you want your son to be a boxer?
     
  3. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is more like boxing has simply fallen off the radar than just guys choosing other sports.

    The type of grass roots interest there used to be isn't there any more.

    As for athletes in other sports, impossible to say. Charlie Powell was one of the better all-around athlete's of the 1950's, playing pro football and also being a track star. He looks like just another big guy in the boxing ring and had a fair, but hardly outstanding, career.
     
  4. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    I agree with the other sports choice. Apparently GOOD big guys can earn astronomical sums in American football, and Basketball these days, and admittedly without the same amount of risk of long term brain damage.
     
  5. Good Cop

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    America had been losing heavyweights to other sports since WWII ended.

    The primary difference is that the rest of the world wasn't in a place to capitalize on it. The 60's and 70's are remembered as the "golden age" because of star power at the top, but from a participation standpoint, the depth had already been gutted from what it was 20-40 years prior.
     
  6. Seamus

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    Hardly any of them makes what Wlad does but the security for the second level performers is better than in boxing. Football is now known to be very debilitating to both brain and body. We will see what effect that renders. And remember, football didn't become popular in 1998. It was a huge sport on the pro level from the late 60's on. I like to put this question on its head and ask, Did heavyweight boxing, in its heyday of the late 60's thru late 80's, deprive football or basketball from talent? Looking at who was champion in those years only guys like Foreman and Bonecrusher Smith even come to mind as guys who had the particular talents for either of those sports. Not Ali or Frazier or Holmes or Tyson or Bowe. Those were boxing talents.

    Another serious factor is the emergence of the Eastern Bloc fighters who were previously not allowed to go pro. And Great Britain has really stepped up as a player. The boxing market is global. The 1990's saw the real emergence of heavy earners from Latin America, even at the lightest weights. The Eastern Bloc guys, tho not overly popular in the US, earn quite a bit internationally. It's a moving target.
     
  7. Big Tex

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    I'd love to have seen Ali try out as a receiver or cornerback in the NFL. That might have been something to see! :happy:party:tong
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    As far as sprinting, he was slow as molasses. This has been been repeated anecdotally and proven in his abysmal performance in the SuperStars competition.
     
  9. Big Tex

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    No kidding?!!! I never knew that. Better stick with the day job then! Like Michael Jordan in the Major Leagues... Just not meant to be. :good
     
  10. Big Tex

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    I wonder how J.J. Watt would be as a boxer. Big, freakishly quick and athletic, phenomenal nonstop motor. Anyone think Watt could have fought?
     
  11. Seamus

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    Or Ray Lewis or Larry Johnson or half the WWE... but the reality is that fairly docile looking guys like Chris Byrd or James Toney would kick their asses seven ways to Sunday. Getting hit in the face and returning favor is just a different sort of business.
     
  12. boxfan22

    boxfan22 Active Member Full Member

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    You can't be serious. I would love to see Ali in the 60's sprint. He would be so fast.
     
  13. Big Tex

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    I'm going with the notion that they went into boxing early, as opposed to pursuing other sports. Understand, boxing is not offered in most high schools in the U.S. while football, basketball and baseball are. Ed 'Too Tall' Jones left the Dallas Cowboys briefly to pursue a career in boxing. He came right back to the Cowboys when it became clear that, though he was a 6'9" Pro Bowl athlete, he simply wasn't a premier boxer. Even so, he went 6-0 (5KO) in his brief stint. How would he have done boxing as a teenager going forward, instead of football and basketball? :think
     
  14. Seamus

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    In the 1960 Olympics, he challenged Wilma Rudolph to a sprint and got dusted badly. Judging by this he was probably a 12-13 second 100 meter guy on his best day.
     
  15. SILVER SKULL 66

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    Simply because American kids, would rather try to make the NFL, or Major League Baseball, i would throw in the NBA but if your not at least 6-4, or 6-5 scouts won't even waste their time, and lets face it very few kids are that tall:-(

    Those sports don't damage the body as much, and can last many more years, Boxers don't last too long, guy's like De La Hoya - Sugar Ray could fight for many years but were 1 in a million...

    Boxing also has a sleazy reputation, people get away with to much Bull****, MLB, NFL, NBA, all have strict guidelines, regulations, they don't **** around, they run a tight ship, and people like organization, security, boxing obviously falls far short of that:-(