Why did Anthony Joshua exhibit such poor defense?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Slyk, Oct 17, 2024.


  1. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,166
    5,016
    Dec 20, 2020
    I think folks sarcasm-detection-radar is missing from the OP.

    This is a thinly-veiled kick-Joshua-when-he is down post!

    Well played OP, u got 'em! :risas3:
     
  2. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    16,341
    12,757
    Mar 26, 2009
    AJ has enjoyed a carefully curated career path where he has avoided punchers, and been able to deceive alot people including the mugs.

    However, when it comes down to it. He has Frank Bruno esque reactions to being hurt, and is unable to recover from being buzzed to be able to win a fight.

    If you are a puncher and at least average at everything else you wont have too much difficulty in taking AJ out. Those are the facts, and they will no doubt milk him from now on against boxers and non-punchers like Franklin / Wallin etc...

    There is still alot of money to be made from AJ facing top 30 level guys who dont have any pop in their punches.
     
  3. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,153
    4,522
    Nov 2, 2011
    AJ didn't show up, he looked compromised before the fight and during he wasn't reacting properly while he had his ass beaten. AJ had given up in the face of adversity. On the other hand Dubious was a lion, unstoppable
     
  4. Smoochie

    Smoochie Indiana Jones and the Harry Greb Footage Full Member

    1,556
    1,655
    May 16, 2024
    Facin' punchers or not, I agree with op's argument and I wuz shocked as well, did he show in other fights such poor defense?
     
  5. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,223
    2,831
    Aug 4, 2020
    I can’t imagine what it would be like to be this obsessed by somebody who doesn’t even know you exist.
    It must be really sad.
     
  6. Veys9

    Veys9 Let's go Champ! Full Member

    428
    415
    Aug 30, 2018
    Joshua performed like he acted during the pre fight weeks. Too confident that he's been there and done that all way long before Dubois. The same way he was confident against Ngannou that he'll land his 1-2 shots and finish fast. And to me it seemed that he only trained for the right upper cut and the right over head and gave poor defence so Dubois would fall for the trap.

    I think Joshua will easily win a rematch, learning from this defeat.
     
    MagnificentMatt likes this.
  7. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    16,341
    12,757
    Mar 26, 2009
    Yes he has shown such poor defence before.

    Against Ruiz Jr he was caught with his chin in the air, and after that his defence was horrific because when he is hurt he turns into a rabbit in the headlights.

    Same thing happened against Dubois, got caught with his hands down and chin in the air. Then was unable to ever recover from initially being hurt.

    If he is in with a Franklin type who cannot bang, yes he can look somewhat passable as a boxer with a good defence.

    But stick him in with a banger, and you can guarantee he gets caught and when he gets caught its ONLY a matter of time.

    Can he put his hands up and move around like a boxer? Yes sure.

    When he is in the pocket and punching does he have the defence of an elite boxer? No, never.

    His defence is only ever good when he is not punching himself and is on the outside, but you can say that about half the pro boxers out there. A really good defence is judged by what you are doing when you are punching and when you are in the pocket and in range.
     
  8. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

    892
    962
    Feb 6, 2021
    Looks the part to the non boxing public . Bit chinny and a bully . Always been the same
     
    MarkusFlorez99 and destruction like this.
  9. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    10,014
    18,945
    Jul 25, 2015
    Not only is Dubois a banger, he also has an educated, ramrod jab. AJ could fight the perfect fight but once that jab starts landing again he'll fall apart. Everyone mentions the right hand knockdown but not that AJ lost every single jab exchange beforehand.

    Personally, I think a rematch is just delaying the inevitable. AJ might box well for 2 - 3 rounds before being out jabbed and clipped again.
     
  10. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

    7,175
    5,448
    Jul 22, 2019
    Because when he gets hurt badly he tends to not to move. In general can be said the first things that go away when he gets punched are his legs. The same Wilder.
     
    cross_trainer and Smoochie like this.
  11. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    16,341
    12,757
    Mar 26, 2009
    The only reason the rematch is happening is because of Hearn’s massive ego and his desperation to retain the value of his cash cow.

    It’s a really bad decision though if you are looking to get more money out of AJ, as once he has been flattened for a second time his commercial value is zero.

    You could move on and style it out for 3-4 more fights against non-punchers mugging the casuals off.

    But Hearn’s huge ego is going to get in the way of the best business decision in this case.
     
  12. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

    1,851
    760
    May 1, 2006
    Joshua didn’t seem to have any punch resistance. If you watch a boxing match closely, these boppers are landing quite frequently on each other but most of the time they don’t flinch, everything Dubois was landing seemed to have an affect on Joshua.

    The question is, is that because he was facing Dubois or is this due to Joshua deteriorating physically? It’s hard to say.

    In saying that, Dubois has been an absolute wrecking ball in his past 3 fights, nobody has demolished Miller, Hrgovic and Joshua like Dubois did, it’s been quite shocking to watch to be honest.
     
    cross_trainer and Smoochie like this.
  13. DoctorJones

    DoctorJones Member Full Member

    305
    299
    Mar 9, 2024
    He was concussed yes, but by a jab
     
    Turnip mk3 and cross_trainer like this.
  14. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    5,461
    9,483
    Sep 18, 2019
  15. Cleaver

    Cleaver Member Full Member

    498
    494
    Sep 24, 2024
    Joshua has always been about offense.
    He puts punches together well and he's an explosive puncher. That alone was enough to put most the C-level opponents on the defensive so they don't mount an offensive of their own.

    Against proper quality opponents he's in trouble