Why did anyone give Arthur the 3rd rd.?

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  1. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Because they gave the first 2 rounds to Bivol and they felt "guilty" or "unbalance"

    That's one of the worst bias that people (even pro judges) have while they score. If they give several rounds in a row to one fighter, they are more and more prone to give the next round to the other fighter even if he doesnt deserve it.

    Same reason why some people gave 4th to beterbiev, most of them gave the other 3 rounds to bivol and they felt guilty or unbalanced.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Which rounds have you scored to the wrong fighter out of guilt?
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    ok. we can say thats a human response. wouldnt you say that judges that are able to discard that bias as they score, are more skilled judges of boxing?
     
  4. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I used to do it often, until I realized that and I stopped doing it forever and ever. Now if I have to give 12 rounds in a row to one fighter, I do it without blinking.

    There is an impulse that makes the scorer prone to keep his score balanced. Maybe even thinking about deciding the winner later, deferring the moment to decide the winner.
     
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  5. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Yes, sure, ofc they are.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I scored it for Bivol the first time around, I didn't watch it three times trying to convince myself that he won it, I was trying to see what guys like you were seeing and I didn't see it.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a slippery slope. To give the same guy close round after close round after close round weighs on the mind when judging. It's human nature to try and be fair when the other guy has a good round and does something different to justify scoring it for him.

    In this match we have a case of Bivol landing the more flashy eye catching shots, often timing Artur coming in and catching him with dynamic punches. Meanwhile Artur's shots often being smothered and catching a lot of gloves. Aside from that, Artur also was the consistent aggressor, the volume puncher, and the ring general. So with these intangibles on Artur's side, he could, according to the scoring criteria, offset some of Bivol's betterment in terms of clean punching. And when you add into consideration of how "effective" Bivol's clean shots were, then it creates even more doubt in the mind of a judge.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes and that's fine but do we need a whole thread about a single round calling out every member accusing them of being biased, emotional, etc ? Especially when I had Bivol 6-3 up after 9 rounds ?

    Just seems like a very one sided conversation to me for someone to ridicule members because he has a different opinion.
     
  9. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I gave Bivol the first 4 and Artur the next 4
     
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  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Maybe that's why the "chamiponship rounds" (10, 11 and 12) are so important. Because the judges are biased by default to keep things balanced and finally the weight of rounds 10, 11 and 12 is bigger. Theoretically nobody should care about who wins the championship rounds because all rounds are woth the same points, but it is undeniable that hey are the most important rounds BY FAR. Maybe this is the reason.
     
  11. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I'm talking in general. I'm not talking about the judges in this fight. In general I think it was the bias. If we talk about the judges I think that it was plain corruption. That simple.
     
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  12. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i get your concern. but i have already explained why i was specific, to this rd. it doesnt mean its limited to that rd. just a starting point that needs to be established.
    if you scored the 3rd. rd for biev, you are demonstrably wrong. you have no argument. you can have an argument on why you are wrong, but there is none for why you were right. other rds, up to the 10th have also been covered in this thread.
     
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  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I never said they haven't but one boxing fan doesn't answer for me either.
     
  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    again, i dont understand how you completely misjudge situations. nobody is looking to answer for you, the video is asking YOU to answer for your score.
     
  15. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It seems like you're implying that because the judges unanimously agreed on a round that's the way the round should have been scored even though this thread did a good job showing why the judges were wrong