Why did Archie Moore perform so poorly against Floyd Patterson ?

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  1. Conn

    Conn Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    with all his experience and punching ability, going up against a relative novice who could be knocked down by rank amateurs.
    what happened with Moore in this one ?
    was it just styles or did Moore had something wrong with him ?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCUkqyfUjTU[/ame]
     
  2. Conn

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    Rocky marciano certainly seems impressed with Patterson.
    i suppose the flip question should be - why didn't Patterson perform like this again for a long time ?
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He was completely outsped and had a lot on his mind.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Patterson was just too quick, too accurate, a brilliant and flat out too good for him. I'm sure we'll hear lots of excuses, the age argument has the most merit, Moore had slowed which made Patterson all the moore dominant (couldn't resist), it wasn't just the speed but the pace of Patterson's workrate, Moore just couldn't slow the pace. Great win for Patterson and Archie for me gets overrated off his longevity and resume depth, against the very best he seemed to largely come up short, Patterson is P4P the better boxer
     
  5. McGrain

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    Calm down.
     
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  6. Boxed Ears

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    You know, PP, this was a lot more endearing when it went for Marvin Hagler against Jack Johnson. :mad:
     
  7. Conn

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    regardless of how great Moore actually was, its interesting that he managed to last less rounds with patteson than lesser guys like Brian London, Ray Harris, Hurricane Jackson and even Pete Rademacher. And some of those were more competitive with Floyd. even the rank amateur Rademacher managed to bludgeon Patterson to the canvas. a guy with ZERO pro fights arguably did as well as archie Moore.
    maybe floyd "over-performed", maybe moore under-performed. maybe its ALL about speed and style against an old man.
    but i'm sure Patterson had a load of flaws and holes in his game that a wily veteran like Moore (who beat dozens of good light-heavies and several decent heavies) should have done better at exploiting, even with Floyd performing well like this.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

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    Patterson likely did see Moore as much bigger threat than those other men so took less risks, focusing on not making mistakes. If you watch the fight Patterson's defence looks impregnable. Moore was missing nearly everything, then Patterson would pick his spots leaving no countering. There was no leaping left hook openings. So not only does he take away his jab but his countering opportunities, which were Moore's game. He also broke the older man down to the body

    Some of those opponents are all likely better than given credit for. Rademacher having zero pro fights doesn't necessarily make him an easy opponent either, he's an Olympic champ, the next Olympic, Clay, would handle Johannsen in sparring with zero pro fights.
     
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  9. darling dame

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    Ifeel Floyd just better!!! Plus arch had a lot of fights was said to bestale from insiders.
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    How many times is this quesiton going to be asked?

    sigh..for ****'s sake this needs to be addressed.

    he was falsely accused of assault and raping a 12 year old girl while in training for the Patterson fight and looking at a court apperance.

    [url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WugmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BAMGAAAAIBAJ&pg=707,2919472&dq=archie+moore+sued&hl=en[/url]

    As a cerebal fighter you think something like this might distract him and effect his performance?

    Perhaps Patterson may have always had his number, but I think Moore deserves a fair shake at the very least.


    Again, I find it hilarious that Tyson against Douglas is the only Heavyweight Fighter in history that gets a pass for this sort of the thing.

    This ****ing board...

    Moore doesn't get a pass for being accused of a bunch of bull**** and a court notice while training for the Patterson fight.

    Fraizer doesn't get a pass for touring with a funk band instead of training for Foreman.

    These are all just match up problems of course...

    But that Mike Tyson...he would have crushed Douglas if he wasn't busy ****ing whores in Tokyo.
     
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  11. Conn

    Conn Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Thanks for that explanation. Yes i had heard it before but i must have forgotten it.
    I do think Moore under-performed. he is looking like he's having an off-night to me anyway.





    well, i wouldnt give Tyson much of a pass.
    but you're right, many seem to do just that.

    (I'm not for giving Moore "a pass" either. he lost, no excuses. but i acknowledge he didn't look as good as he had done in other title fights)
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Tyson doesn't get a 'pass'. It's widely acknowledged he was a fighter with serious faults.
     
  13. PowerPuncher

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    Douglas doesn't get the credit he's due either, that was a hell of a job he did on Tyson, Tyson faded but Douglas put a performance probably only he and Holyfield were capable of at that time. The gameplan and execution was flawless, the most underrated performance of all time

    Moore was fighting for the HW title, the joint most important fight of his career alongside the Marciano fight, it's doubtful he wasn't at least near his best
     
  14. The Mongoose

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    What board have you been posting at?
     
  15. dinnynosher

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    urm, I thin k it was because he was nearly 50 and out of shape, coming off a KO loss to rocky at heavy as well as fighting a speedy, snappy punching 21 year old with great skills. Probably something to do with that...