Why did bhop get a pass for fighting 2 welterweights

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  1. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You guys can point to the fact that Tito and DLH campaigned at 160 pounds. Yes, but does that make them natural Middleweights?

    Bob Foster fought at HW. He was also tall at 6'3". But he was so skinny that a strong gust of wind would knock him over. So I guess he's a HW now too?
     
  2. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Although he'd very much love to be tasked with it, Golovkin isn't qualified to carry either ODLH or Trinidad's jock strap.
     
  3. scarecrow

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    Golovkin sends DLH into the hospital and may have possibly ended his career.

    Golovkin is a legitimately sized MW. And DLH is small.
     
  4. BlizzyBlizz

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    Monzon fought Griffith and Napoles.

    Hagler fought Sugar, Tommy and Duran.

    Hop fought Dlh and Tito

    Golovkin is fighting Brook.

    The problem isn't GG fighting Brook. GG just criticized Canelo for fighting a WW, and is fighting? A Welterweight. So if you're ever wondering why people are attacking GG or Abel and calling them hypocrites, that's why.
     
  5. scarecrow

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    Hearns is a natural Middleweight.
     
  6. Rumsfeld

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    I would say you have a case with DLH. He went back down after the 2 fight middleweight stint. But Tito at that point, was indeed a legit middleweight in my eyes. Joppy was a solid fighter, and Trinidad blew him away like nobody had - even Hopkins and Jermain weren't able to take him out a couple of years after that. Trinidad also never moved down in weight again, like DLH.

    The Trinidad win was (and is usually rightly viewed) as an impressive significant victory. The DLH match-up was never held in that regard at any point, pre or post fight. It was always viewed for what it was - a cash grab. Something that had largely eluded Hopkins most of his career.

    So I can live with people downplaying the DLH victory. But the Trinidad fight was legit, and yet has resulted in a drastically changed narrative with a large dose of revisionist BS.

    :smoke
     
  7. scarecrow

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    I agree that the DLH fight was less impressive a victory for Hopkins than Tito. Because like you said Tito is bigger than DLH.

    Yet you can clearly tell that Hopkins was the bigger man than Tito. While Tito could be effective at 160 pounds he was MORE effective at 147. I noticed that Trinidad's body was softer at 160 than it was at 147. He never was muscular guy, but at 147 he was extremely lean. And at 160 you can tell he was carrying bodyfat that he did not at 147.

    Meanwhile Hopkins came into the ring against Tito as conditioned as could be.

    So perhaps Tito wasn't as small as people say, he was. But he was smaller than Hopkins and it was noticeable. And in boxing thst matters.

    Hopkins was bigger than Tito AND more skilled than Tito. When does the bigger and more skilled man ever lose?
     
  8. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The conclusion isn't about size. It's about REAL (not manufactured) legacy.
    PDLH's is real while Golovkin's is pure Hollywood fabrication.
    Golovkin is the Morris Feinbein of Boxing.
     
  9. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Size doesn't matter in boxing now?

    Brilliant assertion.
     
  10. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'll allow someone more patient to address the idiot.
     
  11. Rumsfeld

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    But this is all more revisionism. I think Trinidad actually outweighed Hopkins, incidentally, but regardless - not many people were saying this at the time. By and large the majority of observers and members of the media believed Trinidad was going to walk through Hopkins the same way he did Joppy, and that a showdown between Roy Jones and Felix Trinidad was inevitable. The majority was not calling Hopkins "bigger" after the Joppy bout, and the majority certainly was never claiming that Hopkins was "more skilled". The world would learn otherwise, but you're changing the entire context of what people believed and were thinking at the time. Trinidad was considered a P4P powerhouse.

    And again, if Trinidad wasn't a natural middleweight, how was he able to blast Joppy away - a feat that neither Hopkins nor Taylor came close to duplicating?
     
  12. scarecrow

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    Trinidad was a vastly superior fighter to Joppy. Smaller men can beat bigger men when there is a significant skill or attribute deficit.

    Hopkins was bigger than Tito AND better. He was leaner and taller than Tito at 160. Could Hopkins have made 147 pounds? No he couldn't.

    I see you're point about viewing things in retrospect. What are your thoughts about that concept as it pertains to boxing? Certainly Hopkins win over Tito doesn't get near the praise now as it did in 2001.
     
  13. Blackclouds

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    Insiders at the time seem as silly as this forum then. I figured anybody who's not a Trinidad fan or Puerto Rican would know Hopkins had the advantage.
     
  14. BlizzyBlizz

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    No he wasn't.:lol:
     
  15. scarecrow

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    Yes he was. He couldn't even make 147 by the time he was 22 years old. He had to move up when his body matured.