Why did bhop get a pass for fighting 2 welterweights

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  1. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    He wasn't a natural MW. When he fought the best MW's he lost badly.
     
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  2. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Brah, he fought Marvin Hagler. We can give a pass on that loss. I mean damn he also lost to Leonard at 147. What a bum. Lost to Ray Leonard. Really, you let Ray Leonard beat you?
     
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  3. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    He wasn't a natural MW. Beating Roldan Kinchen and Shuler is one thing. Beating Hagler and Barkley was another. He lost badly to the latter and many say 154 was Hearns best weight.
     
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  4. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    154 probably was his best weight abd he was no natural Welterweight. But for ****s sake man. He lost to Hagler and then was never the same after that because he was completely and totally savaged. Did you see how badly he was destroyed?
     
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  5. BlizzyBlizz

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    That wasn't as bad as him losing to Barkley. The rematch was even worse. Hearns actually did ok even after the Barkley losses.
     
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  6. Forza

    Forza Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Damn :deal:deal:deal

    We know the reason bhop gets a pass. Its a damn shame how blind some folks are.
     
    Forza, Aug 30, 2016
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  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I got 4:1 odds. I'm usually horrible at predicting boxing matches, but I parlayed Byrd over Tua and Hopkins over Trinidad, each at 4:1. Ultimately I got screwed on the parlay when Hopkins-Trinidad was postponed to a different date, winning on Byrd over Tua and Hopkins over Trinidad individually at 4:1.

    But I got those odds from what was at the time a reputable on-line betting site. I believe it may have even been publicly traded in the UK.
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

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    Regardless of what you read a few months ago - I can assure you, I placed a wager at +400 for Bernard Hopkins.

    You can choose to believe me or not, but I actually placed a wager on this bout.
     
    Rumsfeld, Aug 30, 2016
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  9. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    You can't win Rummy. It does not matter to these guys that you lived it, they used Google and it said something different. That's the ****ing living word of God for some of these maggots.
     
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  10. RingKing75

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    I still cant believe nearly 20 years later that Tito was the favorite in that fight. I followed Tito from very early in his career and was a huge fan and unfortunately i saw that beat down coming. I knew his power would not translate to 160lbs against a true MW and i had seen enough of Bhop to know he was a formidable MW who Tito was jumping in against far too soon. Tito went from WW to MW in less than 2 years. :patsch
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

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    I remember the arguing this over and over with people on boxing message boards back in the day. I remember what everyone was saying, and I remember when Trinidad fans (and many other fans of popular fighters of the time) were all the rave topics, like Golovkin, Ward, Kova of today, and maybe closer to Pac and Floyd before.

    The thing that people were actually saying was that BERNARD WAS TOO OLD! That gets lost in all of this - people thought B-Hops was way over the hill back in 2001 - before he did any of his best work.

    I also remember the talk of Tua-Byrd.
    - "Tua will catch him eventually!"
    - "No way Byrd can avoid Tua for 12 rounds!"
    - "Ike knocked Byrd out so bad he was drooling! Imagine what a harder puncher like Tua is going to do!"
    - "Tua learned his lesson from the Lewis debacle!"
    - "Freddie Roach is a genius! He had Tua replace road work with cold long ice baths!"

    I'm not right very often, I admit. But I nailed this parlay, only to get screwed by the postponement.
     
    Rumsfeld, Aug 30, 2016
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  12. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    :deal
    This I can assure you that I can remember this and fully agree. People hated Hopkins at the time.
     
    Willie Maeket, Aug 30, 2016
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  13. Rumsfeld

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    Yep. And his performance (while excellent in my personal view) against Holmes was ridiculed and made people even more arrogant in the widely held majority belief that Hopkins was just a pit stop en route to Jones-Trinidad.

    :smoke
     
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  14. Nay_Sayer

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    Robinson was the champion @ 147lbs, just like Trinidad. Robinson moved up to middleweight, just like Trinidad. If you're going to knock Trinidad for being a welterweight who moved up to middleweight then you have to knock Robinson for having done the exact same thing...
     
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  15. Nay_Sayer

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    LMAO.

    Hopkins was *40* years old in the Taylor fights. That's the reason why he couldn't keep up a high work rate for 12 rounds.

    YDKSAB
     
    Nay_Sayer, Aug 30, 2016
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