Why did Calzaghe wait ten year before coming to the US to fight its best fighters?

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  1. adub215

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    D-Day, 6 June 1944

    Heavy winds, swells at sea, and cloud cover compelled Eisenhower to postpone D-Day from 5 to 6 June. Conditions remained poor, but when weathermen predicted clearing on the 6th, Eisenhower reluctantly gave the command. The invasion was on.
    The foul weather further confused the Germans who didn't believe it possible to cross the channel in such weather. At the time of the attack, many commanders of the German 7th Army were in Brittany to participate in a training exercise. Rommel, the commander, was in Germany celebrating his wife's birthday.
    Airborne units led the invasion. Shortly after midnight, the British 6th Airborne Division and the U.S. 101st and 82d Airborne Divisions dropped behind the beaches to secure road junctions and beach exits.
    Before dawn, bombers began to strike up and down the coast, the beginning of intense support of the invasion that would total 11,000 sorties that day. Gliders with more airborne troops arrived.
    At first light on 6 June 1944, a massive invasion armada stood off the Normandy coast. Nine battleships, 23 cruisers, 104 destroyers, and 71 large landing craft of various descriptions were joined by troop transports, mine sweepers, and merchantmen. The total was nearly 5,000 ships of every type, the largest fleet ever assembled. At 0530, the entire horizon off Normandy between Caen and Vierville-sur-Mer was filled with ships. The naval bombardment began at 0550, detonating large German mine fields and destroying many blockhouses and artillery positions. The Allied bombardment ended precisely on schedule. The German defenders awaited the landing craft.
    Assaulting the Beaches of France

    The D-Day landings took place on five beach zones, two American and three British-Canadian. The landing craft ran late, giving the Germans a brief respite after the bombardment and before the troops came ashore.
    Gold Beach
    On GOLD, the British 50th Division encountered intense German fire at first but rapidly worked its way forward and moved off the beach.
    Juno Beach
    On JUNO, the 3d Canadian Division also experienced early difficulties but by the end of the day had reached the Caen-Bayeux highway, inland from the landing zone.
    Sword Beach
    Confusion reigned on SWORD, where delivery schedules slipped and succeeding waves of landing craft piled a jumble of men and vehicles at the water's edge. Even so, the troops on SWORD were off the beach within an hour of landing and by dark had joined up with the forces of the British 6th Airborne Division.
    Utah Beach
    The forces that arrived on UTAH performed ably. Elements of the 4th and 24th Cavalry Squadrons (132 men) of the 4th Cavalry Group landed on the St. Marcouf Islands flanking the beach at 0430, two hours in advance of the main attack. Directed to clear enemy mine fields, control points, and observation posts, they found the islands heavily mined but otherwise unoccupied.
    The American VII Corps began to debark on UTAH at 0630. During the main attack, German artillery managed to sink the U.S. destroyer Corry; swift currents carried the landing craft of the 4th Division well to the south of their target onto a portion of the beach that was only lightly defended; and thirty-two amphibious tanks assigned to land in the first wave of the attack were delayed by the loss of a control vessel that struck a mine.
    Those setbacks notwithstanding, the assaulting troops quickly took the upper hand. Within three hours the enemy force defending the beach had surrendered and Allied troops and supplies were moving inland. In all, some 23,000 men came ashore at UTAH, at a cost for the day of 197 casualties among the ground forces.
    Omaha Beach
    Maj. Gen. Leonard T. Gerow's V Corps on OMAHA came up against the worst conditions encountered on D-Day. High seas swamped many landing craft; survivors reached land seasick and exhausted, often without their weapons. Strong winds and adverse currents caused many landing craft to arrive far from their designated targets. A thick tangle of German-engineered obstructions blocked the beach while four miles of parallel cliffs, up to 150 feet high, allowed German fortifications to dominate the landing zones.
    As the day wore on, German mortar and artillery batteries, unaffected by Allied fire, poured destruction upon the attackers while the invading force struggled to get a footing. Wreckage accumulated at the tide line as timetables slipped and landing craft became hopelessly entangled in the barbed wire and projecting beams of uncleared beach obstructions. Survivors huddled behind sand dunes and a small seawall that ran along the base of the beach. Many soldiers were killed outright, and some, wounded and unable to move, drowned as the tide moved in.
    But gradually American units on OMAHA rallied and took advantage of every small opportunity to press ahead. Using smoke for cover, they gained ground. A few tanks got ashore to provide fire support. Rangers scaled 100-foot high Pointe du Hoc and cleared it of its German defenders. Able non-coms and officers pulled together remnants of scattered and decimated units to get them off the beach. The Navy deployed destroyers to the shore, risking grounding and enemy fire to blast the cliffs with their guns. Landing craft continued to arrive at the beach, bringing fresh troops, heavy weapons, radios, and ammunition.
    The Germans defenders stopped the early troops at OMAHA beach, but the relentless invasion began to overwhelm them. Their fixed positions lacked flexibility and their numbers were insufficient to hold against the steadily growing American forces. The GIs gained ground by inches but kept it once they had it, moving up breaks in the cliffs, and destroying the German positions on top. From there they moved inland. By nightfall on 6 June, 34,000 men were ashore on OMAHA. The beach itself was a cauldron of destruction and fires from burning vehicles and supplies, but almost all of the inland coastal villages were in Allied hands.
    Aftermath of the D-Day Landings

    At the end of the day on 6 June 1944, the Allies had prevailed on all the Normandy beaches. British and Canadian forces established themselves well ashore, although they failed to seize Caen because the Germans pulled together a defense of the city, including their only available armored division. The Americans were still vulnerable to enemy artillery within range of supply dumps and unloading points along the invasion beaches. Yet more than 100,000 men had come ashore on the five beachheads, the first of millions who would follow.
    German reinforcements were prevented from reaching the area in strength, and within days Allied troops besieged Cherbourg and slowly expanded southward through the entangling Norman hedgerows. St. Lo was reached by 18 July, well behind schedule. On 25 July Operation COBRA used massed bombers from England against German positions and armored infantry finally broke the German defensive line. Pouring through the gap, American troops advanced forty miles within a week. U.S., Canadian, British, and Polish troops encircled the Germans in a giant pocket around Falaise where Allied fighter-bombers and artillery destroyed twenty German divisions. The Second Front was well under way.

    read that moron
     
  2. adub215

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    D-Day, 6 June 1944

    Heavy winds, swells at sea, and cloud cover compelled Eisenhower to postpone D-Day from 5 to 6 June. Conditions remained poor, but when weathermen predicted clearing on the 6th, Eisenhower reluctantly gave the command. The invasion was on.
    The foul weather further confused the Germans who didn't believe it possible to cross the channel in such weather. At the time of the attack, many commanders of the German 7th Army were in Brittany to participate in a training exercise. Rommel, the commander, was in Germany celebrating his wife's birthday.
    Airborne units led the invasion. Shortly after midnight, the British 6th Airborne Division and the U.S. 101st and 82d Airborne Divisions dropped behind the beaches to secure road junctions and beach exits.
    Before dawn, bombers began to strike up and down the coast, the beginning of intense support of the invasion that would total 11,000 sorties that day. Gliders with more airborne troops arrived.
    At first light on 6 June 1944, a massive invasion armada stood off the Normandy coast. Nine battleships, 23 cruisers, 104 destroyers, and 71 large landing craft of various descriptions were joined by troop transports, mine sweepers, and merchantmen. The total was nearly 5,000 ships of every type, the largest fleet ever assembled. At 0530, the entire horizon off Normandy between Caen and Vierville-sur-Mer was filled with ships. The naval bombardment began at 0550, detonating large German mine fields and destroying many blockhouses and artillery positions. The Allied bombardment ended precisely on schedule. The German defenders awaited the landing craft.
    Assaulting the Beaches of France

    The D-Day landings took place on five beach zones, two American and three British-Canadian. The landing craft ran late, giving the Germans a brief respite after the bombardment and before the troops came ashore.
    Gold Beach
    On GOLD, the British 50th Division encountered intense German fire at first but rapidly worked its way forward and moved off the beach.
    Juno Beach
    On JUNO, the 3d Canadian Division also experienced early difficulties but by the end of the day had reached the Caen-Bayeux highway, inland from the landing zone.
    Sword Beach
    Confusion reigned on SWORD, where delivery schedules slipped and succeeding waves of landing craft piled a jumble of men and vehicles at the water's edge. Even so, the troops on SWORD were off the beach within an hour of landing and by dark had joined up with the forces of the British 6th Airborne Division.
    Utah Beach
    The forces that arrived on UTAH performed ably. Elements of the 4th and 24th Cavalry Squadrons (132 men) of the 4th Cavalry Group landed on the St. Marcouf Islands flanking the beach at 0430, two hours in advance of the main attack. Directed to clear enemy mine fields, control points, and observation posts, they found the islands heavily mined but otherwise unoccupied.
    The American VII Corps began to debark on UTAH at 0630. During the main attack, German artillery managed to sink the U.S. destroyer Corry; swift currents carried the landing craft of the 4th Division well to the south of their target onto a portion of the beach that was only lightly defended; and thirty-two amphibious tanks assigned to land in the first wave of the attack were delayed by the loss of a control vessel that struck a mine.
    Those setbacks notwithstanding, the assaulting troops quickly took the upper hand. Within three hours the enemy force defending the beach had surrendered and Allied troops and supplies were moving inland. In all, some 23,000 men came ashore at UTAH, at a cost for the day of 197 casualties among the ground forces.
    Omaha Beach
    Maj. Gen. Leonard T. Gerow's V Corps on OMAHA came up against the worst conditions encountered on D-Day. High seas swamped many landing craft; survivors reached land seasick and exhausted, often without their weapons. Strong winds and adverse currents caused many landing craft to arrive far from their designated targets. A thick tangle of German-engineered obstructions blocked the beach while four miles of parallel cliffs, up to 150 feet high, allowed German fortifications to dominate the landing zones.
    As the day wore on, German mortar and artillery batteries, unaffected by Allied fire, poured destruction upon the attackers while the invading force struggled to get a footing. Wreckage accumulated at the tide line as timetables slipped and landing craft became hopelessly entangled in the barbed wire and projecting beams of uncleared beach obstructions. Survivors huddled behind sand dunes and a small seawall that ran along the base of the beach. Many soldiers were killed outright, and some, wounded and unable to move, drowned as the tide moved in.
    But gradually American units on OMAHA rallied and took advantage of every small opportunity to press ahead. Using smoke for cover, they gained ground. A few tanks got ashore to provide fire support. Rangers scaled 100-foot high Pointe du Hoc and cleared it of its German defenders. Able non-coms and officers pulled together remnants of scattered and decimated units to get them off the beach. The Navy deployed destroyers to the shore, risking grounding and enemy fire to blast the cliffs with their guns. Landing craft continued to arrive at the beach, bringing fresh troops, heavy weapons, radios, and ammunition.
    The Germans defenders stopped the early troops at OMAHA beach, but the relentless invasion began to overwhelm them. Their fixed positions lacked flexibility and their numbers were insufficient to hold against the steadily growing American forces. The GIs gained ground by inches but kept it once they had it, moving up breaks in the cliffs, and destroying the German positions on top. From there they moved inland. By nightfall on 6 June, 34,000 men were ashore on OMAHA. The beach itself was a cauldron of destruction and fires from burning vehicles and supplies, but almost all of the inland coastal villages were in Allied hands.
    Aftermath of the D-Day Landings

    At the end of the day on 6 June 1944, the Allies had prevailed on all the Normandy beaches. British and Canadian forces established themselves well ashore, although they failed to seize Caen because the Germans pulled together a defense of the city, including their only available armored division. The Americans were still vulnerable to enemy artillery within range of supply dumps and unloading points along the invasion beaches. Yet more than 100,000 men had come ashore on the five beachheads, the first of millions who would follow.
    German reinforcements were prevented from reaching the area in strength, and within days Allied troops besieged Cherbourg and slowly expanded southward through the entangling Norman hedgerows. St. Lo was reached by 18 July, well behind schedule. On 25 July Operation COBRA used massed bombers from England against German positions and armored infantry finally broke the German defensive line. Pouring through the gap, American troops advanced forty miles within a week. U.S., Canadian, British, and Polish troops encircled the Germans in a giant pocket around Falaise where Allied fighter-bombers and artillery destroyed twenty German divisions. The Second Front was well under way.

    read that moron
     
  3. stakeout

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    The Nazis abandoned their plans to invade England after their defeat in the Battle of Britain in 1940 which was a year before the Yanks even joined the war. We'd already saved our own asses thanks.
     
  4. pugilist64

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    Jones protected US fighter - NEVER travelled

    Hopkins protected US fighter - travelled once,couldn` win,never travelled again

    Calzaghe - Las Vegas against US legend Hopkins- Wins
    New York against US legend Jones - Wins

    :happy:happy:happy:happy:happy
     
  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Read the times idiot D Day, 0000, was IN ****ING ENGLAND!
     
  6. adub215

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    when u read that you'll see june 6th midnight the first hour of the day the first american units raided beaches dickhead it started in france ended in france
     
  7. adub215

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    what times you fool they started parachuting in at midnight on june 6th and kept coming all day you moron what do they teach you over there
     
  8. Beebs

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    AND OTHER AMERICANS WERE IN ****ING ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is a matter of fact, it is not up for debate, on D day, there were americans in england, this is fact, this is not an opinion, this is fact.

    The whole ****ing point was somebody said americans hadn't been to england since d-day, there were americans in england on ****ing d-day, its a fact, end of discussion.
     
  9. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jones was slightly protected. He has some great names on his resume but there are other notable names missing.

    And Hopkins is a poor choice as an example. It was a green Hopkins that Jones faced. Jones really should have rematched Hopkins. In my opinion the post-prime Hopkins that Calzaghe faced would beat the pre-prime Hopkins that Jones faced.
     
  10. pugilist64

    pugilist64 Guest

    Oh yes Mr T de do av to tavel to prove they do win away from home.

    Joe legend killer in da US of A!!!!


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  11. adub215

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    ok but that wasnt a part of the acutal d-day there was americans in england during WW2 since we got involved you said D-day started in England it started in Normandy
     
  12. FLINT ISLAND

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    Calzaghe fought Chris Eubank in his first ever world title fight

    Eubank was 20 times the fighter Jeff Lacy was :deal
     
  13. adub215

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    but anyway Roy Jones was a huge Cherrypicker
    Joe Calzaghe wass a huge Cherrypicker but he has fought the best he could fight as of late (Lacy although highly overrated,Kessler,Hopkins) Jones wasnt even worth fighting he doesnt get credit and i said he wouldnt get credit before the fight
     
  14. adub215

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    Eubank was also 20 times older then Calzaghe and took the fight on 2 weeks notice so dont bring that up
     
  15. Beebs

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    You're and idiot, the ****ing whole point of the conversation was a joke about americans not being to england since D day, it was a joke.

    If you think Reinforcements, supply lines, planning, and plenty of actual front line fighting men aren't "part of actual d day" you are an idiot.

    You think the entire military operation was in France on D-day? You don't know **** about boxing or military history, or even geography for that matter, please shut the **** up.