Why did Canelo win? Poll.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by OvidsExile, Nov 3, 2019.


Why did Canelo win?

  1. Fixed fight.

    29 vote(s)
    21.0%

  2. Kovalev garbage. Old, no chin, no stamina, no power.

    39 vote(s)
    28.3%

  3. Kovalev wrong game plan. No hard punches. All jabbing.

    22 vote(s)
    15.9%

  4. Canelo steroids.

    17 vote(s)
    12.3%

  5. Canelo skills.

    31 vote(s)
    22.5%
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  1. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I don't give any of them the benefit of the doubt so don't try to cry to me about inconsistency.

    I don't believe Saunders failed due to a nasal spray. I don't believe Fury ingested nandrolone from wild boar. RJJ's screamed roids and came at a time when testing was a complete joke and top fighters were balls deep in balco.

    Secondly I could tear apart Canelo's 'testing' and the like which he's in and out of and the ridiculous situation with the 'hair test' but you wouldn't care anyway so I won't bother.
     
    Sugar 88, Nov 3, 2019
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  2. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I've given enough reasons why a normal person wouldn't like Canelo. If that's not enough for you then I don't what to say other than that you're either an ass, an idiot or both.
     
    Sugar 88, Nov 3, 2019
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  3. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    I'd be interested in you tearing apart Canelo's testing
     
    Ph33rknot, Nov 3, 2019
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  4. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    The hair testing or him being in and out of testing?
     
    Sugar 88, Nov 3, 2019
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  5. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Normal person? Your arrogance is ****ing hilarious.

    Well he does have more fans than any other active fighter save Joshua, so there must be millions of crazies rooting for Canelo.
     
    IsaL, Nov 3, 2019
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  6. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Both if you have time
     
    Ph33rknot, Nov 3, 2019
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  7. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Ive seen the banners CASUALS FOR CLENELO
    Vote for the Clenbutrol kid
     
    C.J., Nov 3, 2019
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  8. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Nationalistic bias and glory hunting imbeciles who live vicariously through other people's success.

    There's no other reason to support a coddled drugs cheat who seeks to load the deck and deceive fans.
     
    Sugar 88, Nov 3, 2019
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  9. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Well the way cycling works and the nature of the PED Canelo managed to get busted for could easily be sorted by cycling due to it's short life detection wise.

    As for hair testing, it's more or less completely useless in regards to detecting clenbuterol. The variations in controlled studies were absolutely insane. That the test proved entirely negative shows that the test itself was useless. You can point to anything you want, either the test is not conclusive, the threshold set was too high, the time period elapsed was too long as it failing to show anything proves that it doesn't work.
     
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    Sugar 88, Nov 3, 2019
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  10. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Like I said, I give him the benefit of the doubt. He's proven to be a clean fighter. He does VADA testing and equally as important he isn't afraid of challenges.
     
    IsaL, Nov 3, 2019
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  11. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Because you're a super fan and you look to justify everything. A rational person couldn't overlook the mountain of evidence against him being on the up and up.

    How do you feel about Team Canelo lying about rehydration clauses?
     
    Sugar 88, Nov 3, 2019
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  12. Dirsspaardis

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    Even the lab that did the hair test admitted that it’s useless and inconclusive.
    Ginger used drugs and got caught, simple as that.
     
    Dirsspaardis, Nov 3, 2019
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  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I checked and the threads here and over at the scene are both polling at around 43 percent for a fixed fight (when only given two options). Anybody saying that there's no cause to be suspicious is basically being an *******, burying their head in the sand, and a Canelo jock rider. When nearly half the people have reservations and doubts about the fight that's not conspiracy or hater territory. That's a reasonable doubt, and you ought to treat the people who are suspicious with more respect even if you don't agree with them. It's not a certainty, but it's at least a distinct possibility.

    For my part, I am not indifferent to other interpretations. I'm willing to accept the possibility that the fight wasn't fixed. It could be that Kovalev is just completely shot, fought the wrong fight, and Canelo is on steroids. What I'm not willing to consider, what I cannot agree to, are the people who think that Canelo is a god who magically rose through the ranks fighting with inhuman skill to knock out a prime HOF fighter three weight classes higher than him. Those people calling Canelo the greatest fighter of his generation or claiming that him and Kovalev put on a masterclass of skill are living in a fantasy land. To my mind, that is a far greater leap than believing this fight was fixed. I'm glad to see only about a third of people are buying that narrative, but it should still be lower.
     
    OvidsExile, Nov 3, 2019
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I think Kovalev took the fight because he wanted 12 million dollars really bad, he didn't care about the outcome. Hoped for the best, but braced himself for the worst. C'est la vie.
     
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  15. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    I think he is mate, emphatically so
     
    Somali Sanil, Nov 3, 2019
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