Why did Cassius Clay choose the name Muhammed Ali

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  1. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Islam doesn't have an equivalent of Jesus.
    Jesus (Isa) is a prophet in Islam and is believed to be returning (just like he is according to Christianity) but he's not considered a "son of God", and nor is Muhammad. They are prophets of Islam.
    Muhammad being the most important because he's the last, and the message revealed to him by God is preserved as the Qu'ran, according to Islam.
     
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  2. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    According to Christians, he was descended from House of David, yeah. I'm not sure that makes him anything though, in Judaism. Even if Jews recognized that lineage (I'm not sure they do), I doubt it means anything other than being related to a prestigious clan, of which the Jews had many I guess.
    Jesus was clearly another False Messiah according to Judaism. That's about all, I think.
    I'm no expert but I did a bit of reading up on the three great Abtahamic religions at one point, to see what all the fuss was about.
     
  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well this has spiraled far from the topic at hand. I have some very divergent thoughts to the ones opined above but figure this forum probably isn’t the best source for this dialogue nor the right place.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali`s name has everything to do with Islam, he was a sunni muslim and given a muslim name by the nation of Islam.
     
  5. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but it has nothing to do with who Jewish people think Jesus is, nor a contrast between Jesus and Muhammad. The thread is about the origins of Ali’s name change not the nuances and differences between Judaism Islam and Christianity
     
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  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond You're not going to do it for free Full Member

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    I'm inclined to believe this as the most simple explanation.

    Muhammed - ephitet of the prophet in reverance

    Ali - apparently means 'champion' in Arabic.
     
  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL; now there is a debate!

    Yes he had to be related (son of, son of, son of et al) But for it to happen a lot of things that do not make that much sense had to occur. Call it his first miracle!
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    exactly! His father Joseph was a son of David, yet JC was born by immaculate conception..
    All I know is my mother kept me in line in the ways of the holy trinity. One guy. Three identities. Some dude!
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    So to summarize

    Saad took the best name, Ali had second dibs.
    Mark's religious comparisons put his boxing ones to shame...
    Jesus was a son of David yet as noting to do with Judaism

    And I still don't know why Ali picked his name
     
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  10. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah.Also interesting that all three chose to keep their Christian first names when they converted to Islam.
     
  11. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Muhammad was a prophet.Jesus was the son of God. Big difference.
     
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  12. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because the name "Captain Kangaroo" was already taken.
     
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  13. GoldenHulk

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    Well Bernard Hopkins is a Muslim, and he never changed his name at all, so I guess it's not a requirement.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes, same with MikeTyson. I wonder about that. Ones faith is a private matter. The depth of ones faith is difficult to gage. I don’t know if it is more outwardly devout to change your name or not. I know that with Ali he did not see his birth name as his family name. He regarded it as a slave name. But what is in a name anyway? Each family is different. Many people don’t even take the Father’s surname anyway. Mike Tyson technically is a Fitzpatrick. He was registered under his mother’s married name. I don’t think it was even her maiden name either. So he wound up with a surname that has no link to his ancestry. And I guess a lot of people are like that.
     
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  15. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Didn’t Tyson change his name to Malik Abdul Aziz when he came outta prison? Why does everyone still call him? Mike Tyson
     
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