Why did Cassius Clay choose the name Muhammed Ali

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali`s name has everything to do with Islam, he was a sunni muslim and given a muslim name by the nation of Islam.
     
  2. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    but it has nothing to do with who Jewish people think Jesus is, nor a contrast between Jesus and Muhammad. The thread is about the origins of Ali’s name change not the nuances and differences between Judaism Islam and Christianity
     
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  3. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails Full Member

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    I'm inclined to believe this as the most simple explanation.

    Muhammed - ephitet of the prophet in reverance

    Ali - apparently means 'champion' in Arabic.
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL; now there is a debate!

    Yes he had to be related (son of, son of, son of et al) But for it to happen a lot of things that do not make that much sense had to occur. Call it his first miracle!
     
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  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror booted Full Member

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    exactly! His father Joseph was a son of David, yet JC was born by immaculate conception..
    All I know is my mother kept me in line in the ways of the holy trinity. One guy. Three identities. Some dude!
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cobra Will Always Bite Back... Full Member

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    So to summarize

    Saad took the best name, Ali had second dibs.
    Mark's religious comparisons put his boxing ones to shame...
    Jesus was a son of David yet as noting to do with Judaism

    And I still don't know why Ali picked his name
     
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  7. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah.Also interesting that all three chose to keep their Christian first names when they converted to Islam.
     
  8. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Muhammad was a prophet.Jesus was the son of God. Big difference.
     
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  9. Seamus

    Seamus Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because the name "Captain Kangaroo" was already taken.
     
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  10. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well Bernard Hopkins is a Muslim, and he never changed his name at all, so I guess it's not a requirement.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror booted Full Member

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    Yes, same with MikeTyson. I wonder about that. Ones faith is a private matter. The depth of ones faith is difficult to gage. I don’t know if it is more outwardly devout to change your name or not. I know that with Ali he did not see his birth name as his family name. He regarded it as a slave name. But what is in a name anyway? Each family is different. Many people don’t even take the Father’s surname anyway. Mike Tyson technically is a Fitzpatrick. He was registered under his mother’s married name. I don’t think it was even her maiden name either. So he wound up with a surname that has no link to his ancestry. And I guess a lot of people are like that.
     
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  12. JackSilver

    JackSilver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Didn’t Tyson change his name to Malik Abdul Aziz when he came outta prison? Why does everyone still call him? Mike Tyson
     
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  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think he was legally obliged to keep the Mike Tyson name for the comeback fights, and since then I know of no other information to suggest, that at least professionally, he is not happy being called Mike Tyson.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror booted Full Member

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    That’s right! I forgot that.
     
  15. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’m no legal expert but it’s possible that when he was released from prison that he would had to still be registered as a sex offender under his original name and so maybe had to legally use that name, at least publicly. I can’t remember the last time anyone or even Tyson himself mention his Muslim name.
     
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