Why did Cintron deserve a rematch with Margarito, but the Hatton Mayweather rematch i

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by mancat, May 23, 2008.


  1. TFFP

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    And wins over Mosley, Quintana and Judah are far better than Mayweather's cherrypicking at welterweight
     
  2. TFFP

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    He isn't undisputed anything, last I checked Cotto and Margarito hold belts. Lineal would be the word...

    All I hear from Floyd Mayweather is how he is in semi-retirement, and strangely enough the only noises coming out of his camp are that he fancies a few money spinning rematches. It's bad for the division, and the sport as a whole
     
  3. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. Cotto has a better resume than Mayweather AT 147.


    Well, Cotto has his belt because Mayweather vacated the IBF to fight for the WBC.
     
  4. Ziggy Montana

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    This is just fabulous! Cotto's win over Judah would be a great achievement whereas Mayweather's win over the same Judah would be a case of cherry picking. :patsch
     
  5. Scar

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    Yes he IS the undisputed champion, he beat Baldomir who beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat Mayorga who beat Forrest who beat Mosley who beat DLH. It's called common sense, it's not his problem Baldomir didn't pay the fees to get the other belts and only paid for the WBC title. About money fights, I'm pretty damn sure he's planning to fight the winner of Cotto/Margarito if he gets called out for it officially after the fight is over, if he doesn't then I'll agree with you. Also about being inactive, if you take a look at the list of accomplishments from 135 all the way to 154 and down to 147 you'll realise that he has done way too much already to be super active and fight everyone, right now all that matters to him are the big fights and he has the right to do that considering he admitted he's not planning to stay for too long.
     
  6. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    One could also argue a win over Oscar at 154 is better than any win on Cotto's resume and that's not cherrypicking.:deal
     
  7. Scar

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    Good one.
     
  8. TFFP

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    They are both the same you dumb ****, the point is Mosley is vastly superior to Baldomir, and Quintana/Hatton likewise :nut
     
  9. TFFP

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    You could, if you are truely deluded. The so called 'past it' Mosley looked much sharper than the definitely 'past it' 6 round wonder De La Hoya
     
  10. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Quintana/Hatton like-wise? :rofl
    No, they're not the same. The Judah Mayweather fought looked more fresh and fought far better than the Judah Cotto fought and it was VERY obvious.
     
  11. Ziggy Montana

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    The dumb**** here would be the one who made the statement, you. :D

    Take responsability when you make claims such like beating Judah is better than beating Judah or STFU.

    As for the rest, I agree, thus far as a WW, Cotto has a better resume than PBF though Quintana is not better than Hatton nor than DLH by any stretch of the imagination.
     
  12. TFFP

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    But I never actually said that. I said Mayweather cherrypicks, and that he does. I didn't specify any further. Baldomir was a soft target albeit one he had to fight, obvious B- class, easy as candy for Mayweather to gain the plaudits of beating the 'man'. Hatton, again cherrypicked and completely shown up against Collazo previously. De La Hoya, horribly past his best and can only fight 6 rounds - woohoo thinks Floyd! Now he's talking about rematching De La Hoya and Hatton! Judah is probably his best win at 147 infact :lol:

    He is the ultimate cherrypicker, he's made it an artform
     
  13. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    Get outta here! Revisit your post, you included Judah in the list of Cotto's achievements that are allegedly better than Mayweather's. Retract the statement if you wish but don't give me that BS and spare me the insults.

    (1) Well, according to many posters here, Hatton was supposed to KTFO Mayweather. After the fight, the same posters discredited the win as Hatton suddenly became a soft target (and no longer the undefeated top 10 P4P with the better resume because it included a win over Kostya Tszyu)

    (2) Facts: Mayweather beat Baldomir who beat Judah...

    Given the above, I fail to understand what makes Cotto's win over Judah worth being listed while Mayweather's win over Baldo wouldn't.

    (3) DLH, now 35 y/o, 44 bouts, is known to be well past his prime, a statement I agree with. The question is: what about Mosley (36 y/o, 49 bouts), who you don't hesitate to include in Cotto's list of "better wins"?


    Yeah right there's no double standards...
     
  14. PH|LLA

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    Cintron had to legitimize his holding of the IBF title by avenging his devastating loss, or else he was just a joke of a champion. On the other hand, Margarito had no title, and winning a title, even if you're gonna relinquish it soon after, is still a decent accomplishment for a fighter on Marg's level.

    Thats why that rematch made sense for boxing

    apples and oranges
     
  15. TFFP

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    You are actually very slow, but I'll go through this again, I'm feeling charitable. I just listed Cotto's best wins at 147, clearly being Mosley, Quintana, Judah, probably in that order. Notice how there are three fighters there? This means when I compare them to Mayweather's best wins, Judah, Baldomir, Hatton (in that order again) I can easily say Cotto's are better overall, so why you are getting your panties in a bunch over Judah I'm not quite sure...

    As any boxing fan worth his salt would know, boxing age isn't a number. Some can be done at 28, others 35. It is obvious Mosley and De La Hoya are both past their best, but if I was making a judgement call I'd say De La Hoya looks far more removed from his prime. Guy can't even fight 12 rounds which is the most obvious starting point when judging a fighters boxing age. He also looked mediocre against a lightweight :nut