Why did Cintron deserve a rematch with Margarito, but the Hatton Mayweather rematch i

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by mancat, May 23, 2008.


  1. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    Everyone's understands both Margo's and Cintron's incentives behind the rematch, this is no quantum physics.

    You missed the point.

    The idea is to put Floyd's loudest detractors on notice by exposing their double standards. Consider the task completed.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    IMO you're comparing 2 different things. I'm sure if Hatton made a succesful move up to 147 and beat a title holder and 1 or 2 contenders, then almost noone would complain about a rematch
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You could also argue that PBF is a superior boxer to Cotto therefor it's harder for Oscar to look as good as Shane did against Cotto.
     
  4. TFFP

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    Yeah, that would have stood up to scrutiny until De La Hoya looked about as average as you can possibly be when winning a shutout, and against a lightweight at that
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    When has Mosley last looked impressive against a shot Vargas or a average fighter in Collazo?
     
  6. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    Keep changing the statement to spare yourself the embarrassment, you jest, it was your responsibility to express yourself correctly in the first place, not mine. Clarifications acknowledged though debatable.

    Let's revisit that opinion which is likely based on how Mosley performed against Cotto vs. DLH against PBF and here's why.

    Exactly one year before Mayweather-DLH I, DLH won convincingly against the Floyd haters darling (lol), Ricardo Mayorga, a 6th round TKO if I recall correctly.

    On the other hand, Mosley got a wide UD win vs. Luis Collazo some 13 months prior to his matchup with Cotto.

    Based on the two above-mentioned fights, there's no evident sign that DLH looked more removed from his prime than Mosley (the converse is also true).

    Therefore your assumption can only be based on PBF/DLH I and Mosley/Cotto which is also open to different interpretations, one of which would be that PBF is better opposition than Cotto.

    Whether this opinion is shared or not, it's undeniably in the realm of possibilities.
     
  7. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Im sure Margarito would have preferred a fight with Floyd rather than Cintron.
     
  8. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    The Hatton/PBF rematch is not yet a reality and that's why the discussion shifted toward PBF/Baldo.

    Baldo, as you know, was the undisputed champ when PBF fought him.

    The double standards were applied by the haters the day Margo was praised for beating Cintron while the same haters were shooting down Floyd's win against Baldo.
     
  9. mancat

    mancat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As the thread starter I wanted to know:

    1. Why was the rematch with Cintron considered such a great fight for Margarito? This was prety much answered by folks saying that it seemed like Cintron had improved and was worhty of a rematch despite his first loss in which he cried like a *****.

    2. Why the rematch of Hatton and PBF is disliked so much. This also was answered by folks saying that the Hatton-PBF match is holding up a Cotto-PBF fight and that Hatton has not yet re-established himself.


    However......

    1. Margarito proved that in fact Cintron has not improved, yet he got quite a bit of credit for beating a Cintron that we knew was ***** made. Why?

    2. Hatton-PBF is not a done deal, just talk. Why so much negativity when, in many cases, the people that dislike the rematch are the same ones that discredit the PBF victory by stating Cortez helped PBF win (in other cases this same group said that PBF would make it a borefest and the only way the fight would be exciting was if Hatton won).

    3. Why are people so sure that PBF won't fight Cotto?
     
  10. Ziggy Montana

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    For 8 millions I wouldn't hesitate to step into the ring with Floyd. Though Margarito's chances are infinitely higher than mine to achieve this goal, the fact remains that a lost against Williams and iffy-iffy preformances such like the one against Clottey are nothing to improve his chances.
     
  11. Ramshall1

    Ramshall1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    my response was in response to the clown thread starter who are blaming Margarito for rematching Cintron, as if AM hasnt been seeking out bigger game.

    They want to blame the one being ducked, as a way of diverting attention to the one doing the ducking. Just sad.
     
  12. mancat

    mancat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not accusing AM of ducking anyone, nor am I saying that he should not have fought Cintron. My questions are stated above. No one has yet answered why AM gets so much credit for beating a Cintron he made cry in the ring in an earlier fight to the degree that people think he can beat Cotto.

    Look at AM's record of late:

    1. Almost lost to B- Clottley.

    2. Lost to Paul Wlliams, but then Williams lost to B- Quintana, simutaneously legitamizing Cotto's win against Quintana, and making it seem that AM had lost to a B- fighter in Paul Williams.

    3. Beat Golden Johnson, a blown up Light weight, in one round.

    4. Beat Cintron who he had beaten up and made cry.
     
  13. Ziggy Montana

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    That's not at all what the thread starter stated.

    He asked why one was praised and the other one was criticized for achieving the exact same thing (granted, beating Cintron is nowhere nearly as good than beating Hatton, but for the sake of argument).

    I think you're obnubilated by this "ducking" thing to the point of distorting everything everyone else write.
     
  14. TFFP

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    I've not changed anything, perhaps its your responsibility to take up some reading comprehension classes, or at least not jump to conclusions and attempt to read between the lines

    And of course my judgement of who is further from their prime is based on their recent matches, inwhich I can now include Forbes for De La Hoya, and whoever Mosley fights instead of Judah. They are gradually getting further removed, so it would only be sensible to take judgements on a recent basis, as things can change very quickly on that slippery slope

    And it depends what you call 'evident signs'. Not being able to fight 12 rounds is a pretty evident sign of being dramatically past your peak. That is just common sense.
     
  15. Ramshall1

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    Many thought Cintron had made strides in improving with Manny Steward. . . Cintron was KO'ing fools left and right - even stopped a common opponant faster than Paul Williams.

    Its no secret AM would love to fight Fraud, now he and Cotto are facing off. Fraud can make all the lame excuses he wants and his nut-jockey fans can buy it if theyre stupid enough. But true boxing fans know whats really going on.