Ok pat19....you are right we do indeed go back a long long way....And of course we gave the world MODERN boxing as we know it!......Along with most other sports.......HEY" VYNC .......how does it feel to live in the BIGGEST Shitist city in NORTH AMERICA?.....Man that place is a dump....been there once NEVER again......Not a historic building in sight....**** my house is older than the us of A.......HEY and i wonder what part of europe or africa your derserters are from?