Why did DLH never rematch Trinidad?

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  1. teemo16

    teemo16 Member Full Member

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    If he thinks he beat him the first time (and since the bad taste from running from Tito the last few rounds, and intense criticism), why not do whatever he could to get a rematch w/ him? Avenge the loss, silence the critics, make a lot of money, etc.

    I'm just curious why this never happened? Did Tito not want it or DLH? Was the first fight too boring? I've only really been following boxing for a couple of years, so am not familiar with the history here, but curious
     
  2. Thread Stealer

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    They couldn't agree on a weight.

    Tito was ready to move up in weight (Tito had moved up to 154 a couple years earlier and fought Troy Waters but came back down).

    I can't remember exactly if the rematch was supposed to be at 154 or a catchweight of 152 or something, but Arum and De La Hoya wanted it at welterweight again. After Tito won a title @ 154, DLH and Arum said they'd fight at a catchweight aroud 149-151, but King and Trinidad said to fight at 154.

    Then later on when Oscar beat Vargas in September 2002, I think Oscar tried to get Tito out of his retirement to fight him, but Tito wouldn't budge.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    Here's what I could find about it:

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2000/Feb-26-Sat-2000/sports/13041179.html

    NEW YORK -- Even before Oscar De La Hoya meets Derrell Coley tonight at Madison Square Garden, an agreement for a rematch with Felix Trinidad is getting closer, Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said Friday.
    De La Hoya will meet Coley in an HBO-televised fight (Channel 54, 6 p.m. PST) in De La Hoya's first bout since suffering his first professional loss in a controversial majority decision to Trinidad on Sept. 18 at Mandalay Bay.
    De La Hoya, of Whittier, Calif., is a 14-1 favorite over Coley in De La Hoya's second fight at Madison Square Garden. De La Hoya stopped James Leija in 1995 in the second round to retain his World Boxing Organization lightweight title.
    Arum, who promotes De La Hoya, said he met with rival Don King, who promotes Trinidad, on Thursday night.
    "We're getting real close," Arum said.
    The weight for the fight is to be decided. It will be between 147 pounds (welterweight division) and 154 (super welterweight or junior middleweight division).
    "(King) is at 152 pounds, and we're at 150 pounds," Arum said.
    De La Hoya told reporters Wednesday he would fight Trinidad at between 149 and 151 pounds.
    Trinidad will move up in weight Friday night to challenge World Boxing Association super welterweight champion David Reid at Caesars Palace. Trinidad and his father/manager/trainer, Felix Trinidad Sr., said they won't defend the fighter's International Boxing Federation and World Boxing Council welterweight titles.
    "The economic issues have all been addressed (for De La Hoya-Trinidad)," said Arum, who said the camps would split the proceeds evenly.
    "It will be total, complete parity or forget about it," he said. "The only issue is weight."
    Since the fight will be at a "catch," or compromise weight, no championship will be involved. Arum said he was not concerned about that.
    "We're not fighting for titles anymore," he said.
    Whatever compromise weight is decided -- 151 seems likely -- Arum said there would be a $5 million per pound penalty for either fighter over the weight.
    Arum said if there is a rematch in Las Vegas, it would be at Caesars Palace. Arum said if there was a third fight, it would be at Mandalay Bay.
    Arum added that Madison Square Garden also is interested.
    Arum said June 10 is likely for the rematch rather than the previously discussed date of June 17. He said June 17 is the target date for De La Hoya's next fight because it is an open date at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, where De La Hoya is expected to fight Shane Mosley.
    But Mosley, a former IBF lightweight champion from Pomona, Calif., has been reverted to "Plan B" in the De La Hoya Sweepstakes.
     
  4. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    The hearts of Puerto Rico luckily didn't fully shatter the first time. It was only considerate of Tito to shield them from that embarrassment again.
     
  5. Jose FM

    Jose FM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cause Tito knew DLH won the first time around, didnt wanna hurt is legacy worse by actually losing a second time.
     
  6. maciek4

    maciek4 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because they think they deserve 50/50 split, they are too greedy. Thats why the fight never happened, if he agreed to 60/40 the fight would be a go.
     
  7. teemo16

    teemo16 Member Full Member

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    bottom line, I blame DLH. He is the one who needed this and SHOULD have demanded the rematch, and if he really wanted it he would have had it.

    people would respect him so much more if his losses came as a warrior, instead of cautious and calculating (see Mayweather fight). It wouldnt surprise me one bit if he could well have gotten up against BHop, but knew there was just more of this to come.

    I would LOVE to see him fight Pavlik. (I'm aware this will never happen, I just want to see him KTFO in grand fashion)
     
  8. jimmy1991

    jimmy1991 Active Member Full Member

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    tito new what was gona happen if he took the rematch, dlh was gona kill him
     
  9. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Tito and King tried to get a rematch. But DLH took some time off from boxing for his 'music career.' So Tito said **** him, and moved up in weight. Then, when the talks started again. DLH lost to Mosley in 2000. And you all know Tito, he doesnt like to fight guys coming off loses. He fights nothing but the best.
     
  10. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Tito knew he was Oscar's *****, and would get absolutely schooled once again.
     
  11. gambleer

    gambleer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The fight was close, but Tito got scholled and lost.
     
  12. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    :good
     
  13. Jose FM

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    DLH sonned Tito, cause Tito wanted 50/50 and DLH even said that if the fight was even 70/30 in Oscars favor Tito would have made a career high payday. :lol: Just goes to show Oscar's business savvy. Tito is crazy if he thinks he can call the shots, Oscar runs the show and doesnt need Tito, he knows he won, and so does the majority of the boxing public.:deal
     
  14. Jbuz

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    I know what you mean. Even though he still won the fight, and was robbed, he SHOULD have put it so far beyond doubt in those last 2-3 rounds that if the judges went against him, the place would've been burned down.
     
  15. Chunk

    Chunk tallaght boy Full Member

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    Defo agree with you DLH won the first fight and most of the boxing public realise this,he should have however have put the fight beyond doubt! tito was a legend but DLH beat him easy!!!...........