Why did Evander Holyfield have a better heavyweight career in heavyweight

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Bowe lost to Holy.
    Lewis lost to McCall
     
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  2. lone star

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    So?
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    So your assumption about Holy never regaining HW championship doesn't really make sense.
     
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  4. techks

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    To get that extra edge usually but that question would have to go to the confirmed cheats really. Not making it right but I have no doubt there are unconfirmed cheats also.

    Him copying and being a Bible thumper are irrelevant to me. I like fighters for what they do in the ring, not as ppl. Ofc not to excuse the many heinous things sum have done.
     
  5. lone star

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    Regaining what? Bowe was doing just about okishup until that fan man. Granted Holyfield got this one. But his whole legend is based on what? A victory over a fat unmotivated Bowe. Not Holyfield’s fault if Bowe not in shape but please don’t build a legendary career based in that. And 2 wins over an already beaten Tyson. Holyfield has his place in history. But not with Ali, Holmes, Marciano, Louis, Lewis etc.
     
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    It's a rampant thing in sports in general. 9/10 is a huge assumption but ofc there are most who go undetected. If I'm not mistaken since I'm no expert, but I've heard that PEDs are evolving faster than the tech that detects them too. From what little I researched from EPO a while back but again I'm no scholar/expert on it.
     
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  7. lone star

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    He still doesn’t rank with the likes of Louis, Johnson Lewis Ali. No way. His whole career has been looked through rose tinted glasses.
     
  8. MixedMartialLaw

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    Pre "Evan Fields" Holy had a similar build to Michael Spinks https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7cba66789e7e26822c95eb50fa6407bf-pjlq

    PEDs didn't give Holyfield the talent but it did give him a body that could fight as a HW, when his frame naturally would not have allowed it.

    How would have Spinks benefited from a similar regimen? I'm not sure. Mike would have still beat him.
     
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    I'm not saying he does but he's not that far behind imho. He's a 5 time hvy champ fighting stiff comp w solid wins. Ofc he should b looked at w questions but if it's just roids than why aren't there more fighters w his accomplishments since? He definitely wasn't the only one in his division juicing.
     
  10. lone star

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    Evan Fields, Ben Johnson, James Toney. Guess what? Only Johnson owned up.
     
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    Ok if he wasn’t the only on juicing then he has to be the ****ing thickest. Not Anthony Jones or Andrew Jackson which sound suspect enough(if you know what I mean) Evan Fields. I don’t know if he that ****ing stupid or arrogant. But Evan Fields. ****ing gotta laugh at him.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Well he'd already fully unified the CW division. He twice beat the reigning HW champion. His resume of victories is as good as any.

    But like I said, you're claim about Bowe and Lewis keeping all the belts between them is nonsense.

    Bowe lost to Holy anyways and Lewis lost to McCall.

    But you ranking him top 6 is pretty generous and better than most I've seen.
     
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  13. techks

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    Ofc but evan(I kid I kid) if he went by a different name he still deserves scrutiny for cheating.

    My opinion, but I rank him higher than Marciano and Jack Johnson.
     
  14. lone star

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    Ok I agree with you on titles. At one point:WBA Seldon, WBC Bruno, IBF Botha(until stripped). But at that time Holyfield was a player in a very weak division. Hardly HOF stuff. I still maintain he was in the right place right time.
     
  15. lone star

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    All time ranking aside which I think you’re probably correct it’s the nerve of the guy. Evan Fields. All that money, all that team, all that backing from The Lord himself. And the best is Evan Fields. Thick stupid idiot. At least make it Eugene Foster or something.
     
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