Why did Frazier retire when he did?

I think Frazier was the type of fighter who really listen and trusted his trainers and management. Best guess is Frazier heard the truth from his handlers, and accepted the truth after he just didn't have it anymore in the gym.

I'm glad Frazier got a draw vs Cummings. If Frazier won the Cummings fight on points, he would get Ko'd by the first top ten fighter he faced.

Had Frazier lost a close decision vs Cummings ( Which he should have he might have given it another go. As it was the draw was perfect for Frazier.

Frazier today is in bad shape. He can hardly talk, and his balance is shaky. It is my hope that Frazier and Ali can make peace with each other before one of the two passes on.

 

Listen to him speak now. Imagine if he'd had more fights.

 

bang on,floyd patterson too had a bad back ,in fact he had it when he had his second fight with ali.ali tortured patterson in that fight despite ali later saying he didn't take any pleasure in hurting his opponents.

 

Frazier went down hill after Ali 1 ...It was hard for him to maintain the training and after becoming a worldwide star he picked up some poor habits...Staying up late girls and heavy parying...Besides the gruelling war with Ali.....He could not maintain the neccessary conditioning that his style of fighting needed...The Frazier that fought Stander,Daniels and Foreman was a shell of the guy that beat Ali and even Ali II and 3...even his body was evidently not as cut

 

he was obviously no longer the best in his weight class and was getting destroyed in fights

 

Wow, barely talk?

Not from everything I've seen and I've seen footage of him up until a year or so ago if that. He's hardly punch drunk.

 

Frazier has admitted he was drinking a lot. He had that singing group he formed (Jee Frazier and the Knockouts" and he was enjoying money he made from Ali one, and was not training as he did earlier. Also, Yancy Durham, his trainer till his death in --1972?--had died. The great Eddie Futch took over, but relationship was not same. Yancy had Frazier disiplined, Futch was too nice a guy, and he was a friend of Frazier, which makes it tough to give orders anyway.

Frazier had money, and was on downslide. Retirement was correct move.

Marciano wa sdifferent, he was having too many problems with Al Wiell, who had yelled at his father, was stealing his money, and taking more and more control of his personal as well as professional life. Marciano wanted to retire before Moore fight, but Archie calling him coward mad ehim stay for one more. If not for Wiell, Marciano would have went to for number 50 IMO.

 

Nowadays fighters continue long after they actually should, which is highly dangerous. Frazier probably should have retired after the third bout with Ali. I don't care how tough or good a guy may be, you take similar punishment to what Joe did in that fight, you will never be the same again, impossible!

Frazier had a lot of wear & tear in respect of his eyes long before he retired. Unfortunately for Joe, he often had to take a shot to land his own. Good job he was as tough as nails & was highly durable!

Great, great fighter though!

 

Fraziers stlye of fighting more than anything else shortened his career. When you get hit as often as he did and had to fight in what is really an unnatural posture it's bound to take effect more sooner than later. The fact that he even lasted 15 rounds with ali after taking the clusters of hard shots that he did was a miracle in itself.

 

very true...he could not get away from Weil...and there was money with Moore, I was told he wanted # 50 against Valdez but Nino lost to Satterfield (was dropped and dominated) and that fight lost its interest..Weil was taking too much off his purse and Rocky hated him, had some minor injuries but was starting to dislike the training and when that happens its time to leave

 

Joe Frazier had a tyle that wouldn't allow him to have a long lasting career. That is why he declined so rapidly at a younger age than most. He had taken a lot of punishment over the years and his body was starting to break down. He was getting arthritis and was getting hurt often.

After he got the draw from Cummings that was when he realized he couldn't a top fighter anymore. Luckily, he didn't have a bunch of yes-men in his corner' he had men in his corner that told him when it was time to hang it up.

He'll always be remembered as a true warrior in the sport and a top ten HW ATG.

 

he fought in 81 against jumbo cummings.............but too me he really retired in 1976......................why go on????........u lost in the thrilla in manilla in a war.....then u fight foreman in a rematch and get crusified again.........i think after the manilla fight fraziers heart wasnt into it.........he weighed in at 224 against foreman in 76....that showes u he dont have his heart into it.........he was 215 for 3rd ali fight .....

 

Frazier had fought for years with poor vision in one eye and a damaged left arm. His vision was clearly failing. After brutal losses to Ali and Foreman it was time to pack it in ...