Why did Fury/AJ not use the Chisora approach?

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  1. Jacdaniel

    Jacdaniel Member Full Member

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    I’m still a bit baffled by both AJ and Fury’s tactics against Usyk. AJ tried to outbox him. Fury tried to fight off the back foot and wouldn’t come forward.

    Did they not watch Chisora? He walked Usyk down and threw big shots that made Usyk really uncomfortable. Of course he doesn’t have the talent and the brain to win though.

    These guys are not going to outbox Usyk. Best chance is to use the weight advantage. Walk him down, swing, be aggressive, use dirty tactics, push him around

    I’m really surprised that Fury didn’t try to be more aggressive.
     
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  2. UFC2020

    UFC2020 Active Member Full Member

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    Uhh maybe it's because Usyk has adapted to those tactics and as a result opponents are forced into going on the back foot
     
  3. Jab in the Face

    Jab in the Face Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I actually thought going in Fury would clinch, make it ugly and dirty box... instead he tried to box the boxer.. LMAO.
     
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  4. Jacdaniel

    Jacdaniel Member Full Member

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    Maybe. Hard to say though because AJ and Fury never really tried it. Both seemed content to trying to outbox Usyk instead of using their physical advantages
     
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  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chisora won two rounds...the same two rounds Usyk always gives away to guys he knows he is going to have an easy night with.

    I hope one of the aftermaths of tonight is that we can dispense with the nonsense of Chisora being a tough fight. Usyk came in post-injury, post-covid, slepwalked through 12, won 9 with one being even, staggered Chisora in the seventh, and crooked judges gave Chisora extra rounds, same as AJ and Fury, and for some reason, certain folks seemed to have the Jedi mind trick played on them.
     
  6. Jacdaniel

    Jacdaniel Member Full Member

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    Yeah it was strange. And AJ did the same…
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chisora is alot shorter he tried a swarming approach and was gassed by the middle rounds you can't expect giants to fight like a 6'1 swarmer.

    Joshua actually did try to be more positive in the rematch putting educated pressure on Usyk and even hurt him to the body, but the problem is Usyk come right back at him and took the play away from Joshua.

    Fury was the same he was having success and seemed to have Usyk in some trouble during middle rounds, but again Usyk come right back at him and took play away from Fury.

    Usyk may not be a George Foreman type puncher but hes accurate and hits hard enough so you can't just walkthrough his punches. If Joshua tried to be overly aggressive he would walk on to something and be KO'ed ditto for Fury, Usyk is too skilled and too accurate you can't take liberties like that with Usyk.
     
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  8. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Err they're completely different fighters. I also believe that Usyk wanted to put some miles on the clock after moving to heavy, Chisora is a great choice for that as he's game and durable.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Chisora, AJ and Fury would all have been knocked out and they waded recklessly in to try and win on size alone.

    Usyk visibly hurt all 3 of them.
     
  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I did expect Fury to at some point switch tactics if he couldn't out box Usyk and resort to that physical mauling approach he used against Wallin and Cunningham. It's why I picked Fury to win, I didn't think Usyk would find and answer to that as he's never really had to deal with that before.

    But we didn't see that. Hard to say why, but I assume Fury chose not to for a reason. Usyk was often able to step in and land single shots, due to the speed of his hands and feet and maybe Fury wasn't comfortable with trying to clinch, fearing he'd get beaten to the clinch with a Usyk counter.

    Also when we did see Fury clinch the few times it happened during the fight we didn't see the normal result. Fury usually established some form of control, a collar tie, or he ties up an arm, or he uses his forearm to push his opponents back. But Usyk kept his arms tight to his body not allowing one of his arms to be tied up. He didn't duck down, so Fury couldn't lean down on him and he didn't square up so he couldn't be easily pushed back.
     
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  11. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    Joshua and Fury don't have the punch resistance for Chisora's pressure style.
     
  12. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Chisora won 2 round exactly. And this was Usyk coming into the division and still not being settle. Also Usyk had 2 COVID and had to cancel his camp against Chisora twice + had a hand surgery. That's why.

    They try, but they fail. He had god given footwork, so good luck pressuring him.
    It worked for Chisora for 2 rounds, cause that was 30% of what Usyk was against AJ 1.
     
  13. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it was that easy don't you think they would have tried? AJ especially TRIED to do that in the 2nd fight, but could not execute.

    Atguably, Fury's success in 4 thru 7, was because he did just that - fought on the front foot, disrupted Usyk's rythym and got into his own groove; but he couldn't sustain it, because Usyk adjusted - and more than anything Usyk makes you pay for mistakes.

    Additionally, Usyk starts rounds so fats - he takes centre ring and is moving & feinting and naturally puts you on the back foot, trying to anticipate what his next move - and as Bellew said, that's mentally exhausting.

    However, saying all that, if we get the rematch, I do think Fury tries to come out and be the aggressor like 4-7, and we will see how that plays out - IMO he will gas earlier, Usyk will still be in front of him, and this time Usyk will get the stoppage
     
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  14. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chisora peformance was overated because he was the underdog.

    I had Chisora winning 3 rounds
    AJ winning 4 in both
    Fury winning 2.
     
  15. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Contrary to popular belief, Chisora v Usyk wasn't that close.
     
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