Why did Glen Johnson struggle so bad at super middleweight?

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  1. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Glen Johnsons record at super-middleweight consisted of a laughable 7 victories and 13 defeats :patsch He was passed around like a journey man punchbag at 168 yet he performed well at 160 and was elite world class at 175 :lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:patsch

    Why is it that Johnson could perform well at the lighter weight (160) and heavier weight (175), yet he was an absolute ****ing disgrace when taking on the sturdy contenders at super-middleweight :think
     
  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    One thing I will always remember about Glen Johnson was his shattering of Roy Jones fragile Glass Jaw. Jones was out from feather fisted Glen Johnson for about 6 minutes.
     
  3. JeanGrey

    JeanGrey Active Member Full Member

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    wasnt smw loaded at that time? i mean, he only fought there for super 6 right?
     
  4. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Yeah, he certainly shattered Roys glass jaw that night in brutal fashion :lol::lol::lol::rofl :deal :yep

    Why was Johnson able to despatch the likes of Jones at ease, beat Tarver, Woods, and Dawson (in the eyes of any neutral) but in the solid 168 division he was seen as nothing more than a stepping stone for a 168 contender to step upon, on their way to being a top 20 fighter at the weight :think
     
  5. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    After Johnson lost is 0 to Hopkins at 160, he had around 15 fights up at 168, and after a series of toothless displays, he moved up to 175 where he found it much easier to make a success of himself. Think Johnson only fought 3 times at 175 from the super6 onwards
     
  6. Deew

    Deew Active Member Full Member

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    168 is more competitive by far.

    175 is a backwater division.

    Plus Glen would fight anybody anywhere, regardless of the adds.
     
  7. TerryESB

    TerryESB The Final Boss Full Member

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    Traditionally 168 has always been a much tougher division than 175.

    Just look at what happened between Ward vs Dawson.
     
  8. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    glen was to old and injuried all the at 168. taking fights on short notice and injured plus fighting in other guys backyards he did better then i thought he would.
     
  9. Zerwas1

    Zerwas1 Active Member Full Member

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    He was also robbed a few times and close fights went often to his opponents.
     
  10. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bernard Hopkins not only took away Glen Johnson's "0", but he also took away the mans mojo that night with a serious TKO victory. Glen Johnson, just like many of Hopkins victims was never the same after getting "BHop'd".

    Just look at Hopkins track record:-

    -Tavoris Cloud: Hard hitting undefeated Tyson wannabe IBF LHW champion avoided by other LHW titlists. Hopkins schools the man, and Cloud gets used as a punchbag by Stevenson over the weekend.

    -'Bad' Chad Dawson: Considered a highly talented southpaw boxer even ranked in the hilarious top 10 P4P list by ESB's very own fragile ducker Popkins. Has two back to back fights with BHop, and went from Bad Chad Dawson to Sad Glass Jawson in his next fights.

    -Jean Pascal: The lineal LHW champion of the world coming off his best win, gets schooled over 2 fights with Bernard, and now has been struggling to make the LHW weight limit even though he is 5 ft 10 and rumors began surfacing he is an off duty Haitian policeman.

    -Kelly 'The Ghost' Pavlik: The man at Middleweight, P4P ranked and one of the hardest punchers in the game, gets 'BHop'd', goes onto alcoholism and retires soon thereafter.

    -Joe Calzaghe: One of the best of his generation, gets 'BHop'd', gets floored, resorts to homo fighting and possibly develops a glass jaw. Then next fight gets floored by a shot to **** RJJ, retires, moves onto cocaine abuse and becomes a background dancer on national TV.

    -Ronald 'Winky' Wright: Considered one of the best defensive masters of the game, gets headbutted by Hopkins, never wins another fight.

    -Antonio Tarver: The black guy who used to commentate for showtime, got beaten up by Hopkins, lost his job as the showtime commentator.

    -Jermain 'Bad Intentions' Taylor: Considered the future, gets in the ring with a 40 year old weight drained Hopkins twice, gets gifted a dubious decision twice, then goes on to struggle against Wright, Spinks, as well as develops a glass jaw.

    -Howard Eastman: Ducked by Calzaghe, robbed by Joppy, he was cheated not defeated. Gets schooled by Hopkins, his resume post Hopkins looks like 7 - 9 - 0.

    -Oscar De la Hoya: The golden boy, gets knocked out for the first time by Hopkins, becomes a full time promoter and even hires Hopkins as a partner in GoldenBoy promotions.

    -Carl Daniels: Former LMW champ, gets 'BHop'd' his resume post Hopkins looks like 3 wins and 14 losses.

    -Felix 'Tito' Trinidad: Undefeated P4P #1. One of the hardest punchers in the game, gets schooled and knocked out, never looked the same.

    -Antwun Echols: Big puncher at MW, gets stopped, resume post Hopkins turns out 8 wins 16 losses 3 draws.

    -Simon Brown: Former champion at LMW, gets stopped, never wins another fight.

    -Glen Johnson: 32 and 0, undefeated Jamaican road man, gets destroyed by Hopkins, and threads are being made about him. It took Glen Johnson years to recover.

    -Joe Lipsey: An undefeated upcoming fighter, gets KTFO by Hopkins (see video), never fights again.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScRv9xzLeW8

    -Sergundo Mercado : A top ranked IBF fighter, gets beat, his next 9 fight record becomes 1 - 1 - 7

    So to answer the question, Why did Glen Johnson struggle so bad at super middleweight? The answer is Bernard 'The Executioner' Hopkins ruined him.
     
  11. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    you need to watch those fights dumb ass. he got jobbed in most of them.
     
  12. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    haha!! holy ****, yes, the 168 lb division has such a great tradition since 1984. the things you read here.
     
  13. MAJR

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    Too old and injured when he lost to Ottke, Vanderpool, Branco and Sheika before moving up to Light Heavyweight to beat Jones and Tarver?
     
  14. MAJR

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    How then do you account for Johnson going on to become the man at Light Heavyweight?

    Calzaghe had been planning on retiring after 2008 long before he ever fought Hopkins. I can pull up the quote and the link to the BBC website where he says he was giving himself one more year in boxing before walking away prior to is fight with Kessler if you want. And Calzaghe had been "floored" in his career before Hopkins and Jones did it - Mitchell and Salem did it to him as well - his chin was never granite but he had great recovery power. As far as his post-career activities go, you cant claim that Hopkins "took away the man's mojo" just because Calzaghe's been doing reality shows and used drugs for a while, that more likely to be down to him trying to find something to do in his retirement now that he doesn't have to train for fights all the time, and he wouldn't be the only athlete in history to have struggled with retirement and the total change in lifestyle - that's one of the reason why you often see fighters come out of retirement, because they just cant adapt to life away from the ring.

    Eastman was not ducked by Calzaghe. He was offered a fight but turned it down. It was his or his promoters decision not to take the fight - largely because they believe they should recieve more money for what they called the biggest domestic fight since Eubank/Benn - and maybe W-arren's for not offering enough, not Calzaghe's.

    De la Hoya had no business at Middleweight. He had to get a gift decision win over Sturm so that he could meet Hopkins in the first place. Hopkins merely confirmed what the Sturm fight had shown, that it was clear to anyone that de la Hoya wasn't able to handle being at the weight.
     
  15. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    Terrific assessment, the quality and depth of competition in the 168 division appeared to be too much for Johnson.

    Is it possible that Johnson saw how weak 175 was in combination with the huge hype HBO gave the division because of all the domestic match ups at light heavy and took easy pickings on the carefully marketed hypejobs at 175?