Why did Glen Johnson struggle so bad at super middleweight?

In my eyes his worst luck was actually at 175. Judah was a terrible decision, and he definitely won the first fight with Woods. I felt he deserved the nod against Gonzalez, and the Harmon fight could have gone either way. Some people think he won the first fight with Dawson (personally I don't).

At 168, Sheika and Kiwanuka could have gone either way. I haven't seen the Branco fight, and have heard widely conflicting things about it. People assume he was robbed against Ottke just because it is Ottke, but it was one of his less controversial fights. Not sure about the Sosa fight, and am not familiar with any whiff of controversy from the Vanderpool loss.

If I remember correctly Johnson's reputation as an unlucky fighter began around the time of the Judah and Gonzalez fights, and grew after the draw with Woods. People then looked back at his 168 career, noticed that he had lost to Ottke in Germany and Branco in Italy, and concluded that he was robbed in those as well.

 

Thanks for the input. I hadn't seen a number of the disputed 168 fights, but I also had him winning the Judah, Gonzalez, and Woods fight at 175. I scored the Dawson fight for Chad, and can't recall the Harmon fight. It didn't hit me until I tried recalling the robberies that I either hadn't remembered or hadn't seen as much of Johnson's 168 days as I'd thought

 

Glen fought on the road and was on the wrong side of many decisions at SMW. @ LHW he caught RJJ at the right time and Tarver underestimated him.

 

Fu(k off with that stupid Profile views you gawddarn ******! Team Elite are nothing more than a bunch of wankers

 

great post, de la hoya even had to got to rehab post Hopkins fight. He even disguised himself as a stripper to hide from Hopkins.

Jones started fighting russian janitors after his loss to Hopkins

 

a mauling?

are you delusional?

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=488153&page=24

tell everyone here how you average 1269 view counts a day.

and please tell us exactly what vcash bets you have made to achieve you 1000 that you currently have.

now take the vcash bet.

december 31, 2013.

whoever has the least amount of vcash leaves this forum. good grief you looked like a ***** here.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=488153&page=23

im not worthy enough to make a vcash bet with but i am worthy enough to make a view count bet?

youre so dumb you dont even know how stupid you are.

 

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=488153&page=24

one would have to ba a complete moron to think that HEADBANGER averages 1269 views a day for the last four years.

in fact, one would have to be a complete moron to try and pass this off as fact.

 

The Road Warrior. A true Pro many, like Floyd, could learn from.

 

1998 @ 168
Frankie Liles
Joe Calzaghe
Richie Woodhall
Sven Ottke
Charles Brewer
Robin Reid
Thomas Tate
Vincenzo Nardiello
Andrej Shkalikov
Vinny Pazienza

1998 @ LHW
Roy Jones Jr.
Dariusz Michalczewski
Reggie Johnson
Graciano Rocchigiani
Lou Del Valle
Eric Harding
Montell Griffin
Michael Nunn
Antonio Tarver
David Telesco



1999 @ 168
Sven Ottke
Joe Calzaghe
Byron Mitchell
Markus Beyer
Charles Brewer
Thomas Tate
Frankie Liles
Richie Woodhall
Robin Reid
Glenn Catley

1999 @ LHW
Roy Jones Jr.
Dariusz Michalczewski
Lou Del Valle
Reggie Johnson
Graciano Rocchigiani
Michael Nunn
Eric Harding
Antonio Tarver
David Telesco
Montell Griffin


2000 @ 168
Sven Ottke
Joe Calzaghe
Bruno Girard
Charles Brewer
Thomas Tate
Dave Hilton Jr.
Dingaan Thobela
Glenn Catley
Byron Mitchell
James Butler

2000 @ LHW
Roy Jones Jr.
Dariusz Michalczewski
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
David Telesco
Montell Griffin
Chris Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Greg Wright
Derrick Harmon


2001 @ 168
Sven Ottke
Joe Calzaghe
Byron Mitchell
Antwun Echols
Charles Brewer
Thomas Tate
Eric Lucas
Mads Larsen
Manny Siaca
Markus Beyer

2001 @ LHW
(Roy Jones Jr. - Champion)
Dariusz Michalczewski
Eric Harding
Reggie Johnson
Montell Griffin
Antonio Tarver
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Bruno Girard
Lou Del Valle
Clinton Woods
Derrick Harmon


2002 @ 168
Joe Calzaghe
Sven Ottke
Antwun Echols
Eric Lucas
Byron Mitchell
Charles Brewer
Mads Larsen
Manny Siaca
Anthony Mundine
Markus Beyer

2002 @ LHW
(Roy Jones Jr. - Champion)
Antonio Tarver
Dariusz Michalczewski
Eric Harding
Montell Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Bruno Girard
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
David Telesco
Lou Del Valle
George Khalid Jones




If we break it down year-by-year...

1998, top five in each division

168lbs: Liles, Calzaghe, Woodhall, Ottke, Brewer
175lbs: Jones, Michaelzewski, Johnson, Rocchigiani, Del Valle

Clearly LHw there.

1999, top five in each division

168lbs: Ottke, Calzaghe, Mitchell, Beyer, Brewer
175lbs: Jones, Michalzewski, Del Valle, Johnson, Rocchigiani




2000, top five in each division

168lbs: Ottke, Calzaghe, Girard, Brewer, Tate
175lbs: Jones, Michalzewski, Harding, Johnson, Telesco



2001 , top five in each division

168lbs: Ottke, Calzaghe, Mitchell, Echols, Brewer
175lbs: Jones (champ), Michalzewski, Harding, Johnson, Griffin, Tarver

175 > 168 but LHW gets points for having a recognized man of the division plus a halfway decent top five under him - better than JLHW's, anyway. Echols? ICK!

2002 , top five in each division

168lbs: Calzaghe, Ottke, Echols, Lucas, Mitchell
175lbs: Jones (champ) Tarver, Michalzewski, Harding, Griffin, Johnson



The above was information provided by IB in another thread, that I trimmed down for this thread...

I would like someone to argue how on earth 168 was a stronger division than 175 during this time.

LHW was clearly stronger..

 

You're hopped up again. 6 pack of wife beater in the fridge. Go to them.

 

Ha!

Where's Bailey?

He always argues that the 168 division was stronger, with his black and white boxrec stats.

As we all know, and can clearly see above, the 175 division was much stronger than the 168 division.

Only a fool would argue otherwise.

 

You can also see above that Roy beat a big chunk of the LHW top 10 list in every year.... People need to realize, he has a very good LHW resume that gets overlooked...

I always hear about Lou Del Valle being a bum, but he was rated 3 at LHW when Roy beat him!!

If you look closely.. You can see someone named Thomas Tate, that Roy dispatched in less than 2, was able to move up to SMW after and remain in the top ten for multiple years, one year he was top 5!!

One can only think, that if baliey has seen the above, he is studying the whole list, and will come back with irrefutable scientific statistics and fact as to the 168 division being stronger.

 

Calzaghe had been planning on retiring after 2008 anyway. How "shakey" you think his chin became "because" of Hopkins is irrelevant. Whether you like it or not Calzaghe stuck to his word when he told the BBC in October 2007 - at this link http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7064179.stm - "I realise the end is near. I'm not going to be an Evander Holyfield and fight at 44, getting my head punched in. I'm giving myself a 12-month span to keep at the top and then I'll let it go. There'll be no comebacks." He fought Kessler on the November 3rd 2007 and fought Roy Jones Jr on November 8th 2008 and the formally retired on February 5th 2009. To claim that Calzaghe chose to retired because "Hopkins took his mojo" is to ignore completely that he had plans to retire after 2008 long before he even signed to fight Hopkins.

And as far as a Hopkins/Calzaghe rematch went, Calzaghe did not do rematches voluntarilly. He had never had and never would. It had sod all to do with Hopkins being "a risk" and everything to do with Calzaghe not doing rematches in the first place. The only rematch he had every fought had been one the WBO had forced upon him against a fighter who had earnt a WBO mandatory spot. If he didn't rematch Robin Reid when he was a much younger and healthier men then why the hell would he rematch Hopkins when he was approaching 40 and already had plans to retire laid out?