Why did heavyweight boxers suddenly get bigger

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  1. superman1986

    superman1986 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Around the 1980's, heavyweight fighters suddenly got bigger and have gotten bigger every since.

    Before then, the average heavyweight was 185- 195 pounds. Guys like Liston, Foreman or even Ali were considered humongous. But today would be considered average sized heavyweight. At around the same time heavyweight boxers suddenly got bigger, so did heavyweight bodybuilders. Guys like Ronnie Coleman come into competition at a ripped 285 pounds. But the bodybuilders of yesteryear were 200- 215 pounds in competition shape.

    I don't buy that it's just human evolution. Thirty, forty, fifty years on the evolution scale is like 30 seconds of regular time.

    And, several studies have shown that the average man today is actually weaker than the average man of Joe Louis time. And many studies show that testosterone levels in men have fallen between now and then. Yes, people have gotten fatter since Louis time, but not heavier and muscular.

    Tall people have always been around, too. My great grandfather, who was born around the same time as Joe Louis was 6'3. Taller than me.

    So if it's not steroids or PEDS, then what is it?
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Probably a combination of our species growing in size and also specialization.

    It is interesting that Willard was the biggest champion for almost 100 years.
     
  3. SHADAPBLAD

    SHADAPBLAD Viscous Knockouts Full Member

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    Cheap answer but most likely steroids for me. Big buff men have always existed - abe simon, jess willard etc. These men, while still displaying underrated skills, on film seem to exhibit the coordination and athleticism of 2 year olds. The timing of the phenomenon is very suspicious, i believe that is what you are alluding to with the stuff about bodybuilders. Have you seen the average 6'4"+ man who doesnt take steroids? The rare specimen is able to be fairly athletic while being skinny, or he is big and fat and moves slower than a turtle. Very big men can be strong, fast, well coordinated and well versed. But they cannot have all the attributes without taking a lil something
     
  4. superman1986

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    They say that the average woman today is as big as the average man in 1960. But, the caveat is that it's fat. I was reading something where the military was saying that they were seeing injuries on 18 and 19 year old recruits fresh out of high school that you normally would see on middle aged office workers. Even things like mild heart attacks during basic training. A lot of those recruits have to be dismissed because they can't meet the minimum fitness standards.

    So people are bigger, but in the wrong way. It's not like today it's normal for the average man 40 and under to be a ripped 185 or 200 pounds and bench pressing 350 pounds without ever having touched a weight. Also keep in mind that the average man back in Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano's day was stronger than the average man of today. One big reason for this is that it has been shown that the average man of yesteryear had higher levels of testosterone in his body.

    On a physical level, it doesn't seem like mankind has progressed, it seems like mankind has regressed.
     
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  6. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Reminds me of this fat pig-like fellow who always proudly referred to himself as the big man in the office when he was actually morbidly obese. Of course that's not the type of non-athletic bigness that we are referring to in reference to HW boxers.
     
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  7. TBI

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    It's evolution through the food we eat mainly I think. Why do we have 13/15 year old kids in school on the football team that are 6'3" and 250lbs? Unthinkable when I was 13, and nobody I knew or even heard of was remotely that big.
    Same goes for the 13/15 year old girl who looks like a fully developed woman... They werent around in my time... Now you better be sure of who you're looking at.

    People are maturing faster and getting bigger. More big people are athletic and fall into those activities.
    Look at literally any other sport; everyone is bigger, faster, etc.

    All this steroid-injected meat and genetically altered food has a lot to do with it I'm sure.


    I'll add that the men and women were stronger and fitter because they had to walk everywhere... No elevators, you had to kill/prepare your own food much more, you had so much more manual labor in everyday life. Today's people are lazy and sedentary for the most part.
     
  8. Howitzer1888

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    The considerable weight increase during the 1980s at heavyweight was partly due to the transition from 15 to 12 rounds, I would imagine.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Humans are still evolving and are on average way taller than Louis`s day, look at tennis players, that`s why these big serves are messing up great players, God knows what humans will look like in the future.
     
  10. RealDeal

    RealDeal Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    The mass monster era in bodybuilding really started with Dorian Yates in the early 90s. Most agree that this was due to heavy use of insulin and GH, as the guys were on pretty much the same anabolic compounds since the mid 60s. In boxing, you see a lot of taller, heavier guys now, but a lot of them are out of shape, as opposed to being overly lean and muscular. I'm sure there are plenty of heavyweights doping, but I don't think it is the real driver of the increase in size overall.
     
  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    somehow bigger guys started to get into boxing. Can you imagine is Shaquille ONeal would have had a long boxing career. He is fast and I think he would have been good.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You're looking for the word "epigenetics" not "evolution."
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You know he boxed Mosley and Oscar right? It should be on YouTube.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Not evolution. Epigenetics.
     
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  15. janitor

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    In the 1980s there was a major change in training ethos.

    Before that heavyweights basically tried to get their weight as low as possible.

    In the 1980s it was realized that heavyweights could bulk up without major consequences.

    Michael Spinks was the pioneer of this new training method, though this is seldom acknowledged.

    As others have said, there seems to have already been an upward trend in place by the 1970s.

    I guess we have to chalk that up to the increase in the average height.
     
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