Why did Heredia disclose how he cheats???

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  1. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    JMM's coach is a proven self confessed drug dealing scum!

    divac just got owned again! :lol:
     
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  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who Pac associates with is'nt the cause of me being convinced he's a PED user.

    Ward, Donaire, Berto, and now Marquez have associations with people who were associated with PED's in the past........My inclination is to be more suspicious of them than I would other fighters, but not to the point where I can say, "definitely, he's a PED user."

    Pacquiao's actions when confronted with the insinuation that he might be using is to me a bigger indicator of innocence or guilt.


    If a fighter regardless of associations is openly willing to be tested. There is'nt much more that can be done. You can be suspicious, but you certainly cant point to as fact that he's cheating.

    Now someone that refuses to randomly be tested????
    I think that say's volumes.
     
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  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whether the PED's can be detected or not is irrelevant here......

    If Pacquiao has nothing to hide, why not take the tests anyways, even if he thinks what Marquez is on is undetectable.
    IF Pacquiao were clean, he'd have taken Marquez up on his offer to do urine, excrement, and even hair.

    I'm sure it never crossed Pacroid's mind to be tested every which way but blood.:deal

    Detectable or not, Pacquiao does'nt know that what Marquez might be on would be undetectable.....
    ........a fighter does'nt want to prove he's clean, he's a cheat. Simple as that.
     
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  4. dodong

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  5. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    NO you don't get it.

    JMM gets accused of doping and he says "test me *****"

    Pac gets accused of doping and he is afraid to be tested.
     
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  6. PeteDawg

    PeteDawg Observant Observer Full Member

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    :lol:

    For ****s sake... That's already been addressed... It's the main reason the Pretty One decided to throw his style OSDT out there, Pacquiao felt the BLOOD DRAWS weakened him. Something the Machavelian Mayweather knows all too well, a ****ing scheme that's backfired. And a scheme that is going to make Pacquiao his boss when he gets a percentage of his money... :lol::smoke
     
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  7. megavolt

    megavolt Constantly Shadowboxing Full Member

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    That's pretty closed minded.

    "Not A =/= B," exclusively.

    It may give rise to doubt, but anything can give rise to doubt, its all up to the individual giving thought to it. Working with ex-distributors can give rise to doubt. Refusing testing can too. Taking long vacations under the guise of testing can as well. Whether you can open your mind to all the possible scenarios is up to you.
     
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  8. el mosquito

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    your point is moot because Pacquiao already agreed to mayweather's test. On the other hand, JMM's coach had made 20 different drugs that are still undetectable.:hi:
     
    el mosquito, Nov 9, 2011
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  9. acr347

    acr347 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Do you really know how long Marquez has been working with Heredia, he's been working with him in person for 10 weeks strength training wise, but we really don't know how long this biochemist/strength trainer has been overseeing his supplementation and such. He's been talking about working with 'doctors' for quite some time now. Sides most experts are usually PHDs not MDs.... He doesn't have to cycle off if its some ester of test gives off a clean version of it's test to epi ratio. and he's under 1000 ngs, as far as epo or hgh are concerned, which I know very little about, he apparently has no problem masking those as well. Dudes clients are Usain Bolt and other Jamaican sprinters. He's clearly got passion, and innovation in his field and has a technical proficiency in what he does.

    I dunno if Marquez is juicing, I will say I'm very impressed with the amount of mass he put on in that short amount of time, and his physique does appear to have that sarcomere/muscle cell volumization from great training and some anabolic and cell volumization agent. Dunno if he's doping or not.

    No clue about why the guy talks that much.
     
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  10. el mosquito

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    And Pacquiao isn't interested in testing JMM

    1. that would make him a fool in the eyes of the public. testing is Mayweather's bull****, Pac don't play that ****. He goes by what the commission tells him and that's it

    2. who would shoulder the cost of the testing? Pac wants none of that ****. He goes after the WBO belt because it costs less money, ask Tapia

    3. Pac doesn't care if JMM is on to something, he probably doesn't even know about this PED rumors going on

    4. Even if he cares and if JMM is really on something, most probably he is on some undetectable **** that only Heredia can concoct. :yep

    5. Pac will beat his ass in any case whether JMM is cheating or not cheating.
     
    el mosquito, Nov 9, 2011
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  11. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Yeah, it does seem pretty clear.
     
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  12. tinorknitz

    tinorknitz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    divac having a taste of his own pee, I mean, medicine. :lol:

    Karma is a b!tch! :yep
     
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  13. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    :rofl
     
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  14. kirk

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    Because it doesnt matter, in fact if anything it gets his name out there more.

    He is, right now, in JMM's camp for gods sakes :lol: At the end of the day, people will speculate, guess, ect, ect.... but at the end of the day, as long as he gets JMM to pass those tests, thats all that matters and he gets his money and his name out there.

    Like he said, most of the time, nobody would even know that hes dealing with an athlete. Its not like most of the time hes in their camp like he is with JMM, I really dont see how it really effects him.
     
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  15. yagbols

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    From Arum's point of view, it make sense not to push for drug test. If either fighter tested positive, all the money he invested for this fight will go down the drain.
     
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