Why did Holyfield struggle against lesser fighters

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  1. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    I was rewatching his fights with Stewart, cooper, and Holmes these past few days and was wondering why they gave him so much problems, how can he look so good against elite heavyweights but struggle against lesser fighters
     
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  2. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because Holy was inconsistent and maybe he had some PED problems.
     
  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This was not a singular Holyfield problem. All fighters of any degree struggle with lesser fighters at some time in their career. Bowe struggled with Hide and Golota. Mercer struggled with Ferguson and Wilson. Foreman struggled with Schulz and Savarese. The list goes on and on for fighters of all eras, not just Holyfield.
     
  4. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holyfield could have gone against anyone But his style wasn’t the best. Defense wasn’t all that nor his offense. Was just kind of good at everything while not being great at anything in particular. He often went off his game plan which negatively affected him. That being said William said it best every great had their struggles against lesser fighters
     
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  5. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    He simply ducked anything...juiced or not he was. His strong will to fight continuously brought him to risk life many times. True Warrior.
     
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  6. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    He just abandoned his gameplan early when he got caught with something. One of the reasons he was so great in my opinion he could box but most importantly he appeared to love to fight
     
  7. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    His defense and offense were great, he was an aggressive counterpuncher which requires you to have both good defense and offense, he didn’t have good head movement but that is only one aspect of defense, and I mainly think it’s strange that he came in amazing shape for these lesser guys and still struggled
     
  8. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tendency to brawl.good for the fans though, exciting fights
     
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  9. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can't agree. Holyfield was one of the best hit-and-run boxers of all time, if not the best.
     
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  10. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never said he wasn’t an all time fighter but I tend to think he gets over rated a bit. His offense and defense were really good. Championship good obviously. But he wasn’t particularly great at anything (maybe throwing combos). Went off the script to much and his style wasn’t all that hard to figure out.
     
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  11. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree he was not one of the great thinkers of boxing, and that he followed the same couple of game plans, but he was such a good athlete he was hard to fight.
     
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  12. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it was motivation. Holyfield really wanted to make an impression at heavyweight, and looked good in his first few forays into the division. By the first Alex Stewart fight, he was like, "I've got this..." and didn't put in as much effort. Against Douglas he really wanted that title and looked spectacular. That Holyfield would've beat the Tokyo Douglas. Foreman was supposed to be easy, so maybe Evander didn't work as hard. Cooper was an sub who'd been defeated several times; Evander wasn't as motivated. Holmes, like Foreman, was supposed to be old and easy. Bowe was a young tiger, so Holyfield trained harder. Maybe he didn't think much of Moorer. Against Mercer he wanted to make a good impression after the Moorer fight. Bowe III, I don't know. Czyz, he took lightly. But he'd wanted Tyson for years, so he was ready. After 1997 or so, he was past-prime, and while still a top-level heavyweight, his body couldn't do things as well as they could when he was younger.
     
  13. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Maybe, but he always came in amazing shape for someone unmotivated for a fight
     
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  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    The Holmes and Stewart fights looked pretty One sided to me. Alex had a brief moment of success in the 5th round but other than that got his ass kicked. Cooper had Evander hurt but that might have had to do with complacency. That and Burt hit damn hard.
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Getting in the ring with another well-trained big guy throwing punches is a risky proposition. Most of these guys, these lesser opponents, were the best boxers in their gyms since they were kids, most were amateur standouts, guys who spent their young lives blasting opponents and only ran into static when they hit the highest level. Very, very few top level heavies have a smooth path, even in the best of times.