Why Did John Murray Duck Victor Ortiz?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by The Rain Man, Nov 8, 2010.


  1. The Rain Man

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    John Murray had the chance to fight Victor Ortiz on Khans undercard against Maidana on HBO but he and his trainer turned down the fight.

    It was a great oppertunity for John to get some international exposure instead of stagnating fighting unknowns with 10 losses on thier records.

    John Murray could have fought Victor Ortiz and gained an international following but him and Joe Gallagher turned down the fight to "protect" John. I hate to say it but the grossly over-protected way Johns career is going he will probably be aboutu 28/29 before he gets a world title shot, Then get blown away in it because his handlers failed to raise the level of competition.

    Im starting to give up on Murray, He has a great come-forward style thats exciting to watch but the quality of his opponents is sub-par. Now that the WBU which had no mandatory challengers is pretty much defunt John Murrays chances of winning a world title even a unrecognised one have been severely diminished.

    Ideally Murray should be fighting someone like Miguel Vasquez but even his trainer Joe Gallagher would never take that fight to protect John.

    We all know what happens to over-protected, over-hyped undefated fighters ala Salita when they finally get a world title shot.

    I just hope for the sake of John his trainer is willing to raise the level of competition, The fact that Joe Gallagher has repeatedly refused to let John fight anyone who is undefeated or a champion or someone who is not shot to bits ala Thaxton shows his lack of confidence in John Murary, In that case perhaps its time for Murray to get a new trainer and promotor.
     
  2. skellington

    skellington Bogbrush Full Member

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    Well they're in different weight divisions for starters..
     
  3. Lazarus

    Lazarus Realist Full Member

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    Ortiz would batter him, and Murray wouldn't get that good of a pay-day either.

    Silly move. Murray should attempt to fight for a World Title at 135.
     
  4. The Rain Man

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    Its 5lbs, Half a weight division. Im sure a big boy like Murray who has problems making weight anyway would have problems putting on an extra 5lbs to fight Ortiz.
     
  5. GladiatoR

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    Murray's looked pretty limited in the past, it's just a matter of time till he gets beaten.
     
  6. portside

    portside Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i reckon next up for murray is rees, never a coincidence that he's comontating on his fight with watson, it makes sense for murray, a big enough fight for a good payday, and one he can win.:good
     
  7. Vano-Irons

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    Because he really isn't that good. Maybe I'm a little too negative on the guy, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he is capable of beating a guy like Victor.

    Mitchell beats him at 135 for me
     
  8. GazOC

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    Next week: Was Sergio Martinez too scared to enter the Super 6?
     
  9. Right Hook

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    I see youre bitching about John Murray again rainwane. All your threads are either about how much you want to **** khan, how the UK is so racist, or how much you hate John Murray. Get a life you sad ****!

    Why would John Murray move up in weight to fight someone that doesn't even have a world title?
     
  10. The Rain Man

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    To gain international expsure, To raise the level of competition and experience to get yourself into contention for world title, Instead of fighting tomato cans and wanting a world title shot handout.
     
  11. Right Hook

    Right Hook Guest

    Why do you hate John Murray so much is he shagging your girlfriend or mother or both?
     
  12. Dan684

    Dan684 Dave's Stepdad Full Member

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    Murray would get dispatched by Ortiz, thats why. He know's it, Gallagher knows it and we know it.
     
  13. loughlan

    loughlan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you want John Murray, who is currently fighting at Euro level, to move up in weight to fight a guy who is better than anyone Khan has faced as a world champion? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
     
  14. The Rain Man

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    I dont know where Khan comes into this equation, Please stick to John Murray who the thread is about.

    On a seperate note Khan has already defeated Victor Ortiz in the amatuers and if Khan beats Maidana who beat Ortiz then there is no need for him to fight his friend victor ortiz in the short-term.

    This is a question about why John Murray ducked Ortiz and his chance for a huge payday and international exposure.

    Back to John Murray please.
     
  15. Bad Dog

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    For the same reason he avoided Khan, Prescott and Katsidis. He knows he would take a severe beating. I think he's trying to clone himself into Ricky Hatton by taking the same route, fighting old bums until one old good, sliding champion comes along.