Why did Marciano Choose to defend against Charles than Valdez ?

What would you know about books? You can't read or string a sentence together without making the most elementary spelling mistakes.
Did you even get out of 5th grade?

 

I think a better thread would be " Nino Valdez vs Ray Mercer". Now that might be a good fight.

 

What the **** does Jack Johnson have to do with this thread ? The man is phobic. Oh well ,once a **** always a ****.

 

Well, having read every page in this thread (great thread by the way) I'm satisfied that there is something to the claim that Valdes was passed over (not outright ducked mind you) by the Marciano camp.
More accurately, Weill was seemingly reluctant to have Marciano and Valdes fight. I'm okay with that.

Managers pass on fighters for many reasons, sometimes not for fear of their man losing, but for fear that their man may look bad, that the fight won't be a draw, that risk outweighs reward and for several other reasons. Boxing is a business, and I'm sure that it isn't exactly a newsflash for anyone.

So fair enough, it seems that at some point, Marciano could have (maybe should have) fought Valdes. On that note, Valdes scuppered his own chances of cementing a chance to fight Marciano, so he did himself no favours either.

 

Thats the opinion I've arrived at.:good

 

Me too !!!! :happy

 

Some have decided this about those who defend Holmes ducking oponents verses those who defend marciano ducking nino.

I defend both. I find it difficult to accuse any champion. The most silly thing is trying to prove already proven fighters deliberately chose to duck somebody directly. Why blame the fighter? Matchmaking and politics is often out of the fighters control and if he has already made his bones, be it Holmes or Rocky, is proven, perhaps beat a number of guys who beat the so called avoided guy should it be that big a deal?

It should only be a deal if there is a truly outstanding contender who has the kind of dominating wins that over shadow the champion himself. Say if Braddock got out of fighting Joe Louis or Patterson never did face Liston. In those cases there was only so long the champ could avoid the challenger and they wound up fighting them anyway. I'm thinking of the champions who avoided a young Ray Robinson and Ezzard Charles but even in those cases there is the war argument.

Apart from the colour bar I think an out right duck is rare. After silent film age I don't think any heavyweight champion is entirely guilty of ducking in the extreme sense of the word. It is only a solid duck if the challenger gets to be regarded as better than the champion. Champions often cannot meet all the best contenders, not enough months in the year, they are restricted to how many realistic times they can defend as well.

All heavyweight champions of the classic era are somewhat guilty of wanting to cash in to some extent but sooner or later they meet the best guys nine times out of ten.

 

HeGrant,

That is not what you said at all. Fist of Fury said "Managers pass on fighters for different reasons." Clearly in your posts, you gave an opinionated reason on why you think Marciano ducked Valdes. Don't try to cop out on this one.

^^^^^^

 

HEGrant,

Please give us the evidence to the following two claims you made

1. There is no doubt that Team Marciano preferred the worn down Charles to the physical challenge presented by a bigger, younger , stronger Valdez.

2. Styles make fights and Weill did not want Rocky to have to tackle Valdez who offered a different style match up than an old Charles who he recently defeated


Where is your evidence to back up these 2 points?

 

So Joe Louis doesn't count as championship level but Nino Valdes does?

 

Still waiting on HEGrant to answer this question


Had Marciano fought and beaten Valdes, where would Valdes rank on Marcianos list of best opponents in your opinion?