Why did Marciano Choose to defend against Charles than Valdez ?

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  1. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    this is true
     
  2. choklab

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    This is true. Fair or not, prior to Marciano Don had a rating and a clean sheet in that you could not link a Cokkell loss to a marciano victim. As a heavyweight he'd beat two Marciano victims. On paper Don looked as good enough to sell to the Americans as Tommy Farr had been years earlier.
     
  3. edward morbius

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    What often happens with any evaluation is that the premise implies the conclusion. Most of the "Valdes was avoided" arguments assume that folks back in 1955, and especially Al Weill, would view Nino Valdes as the most dangerous opponent off his size. But their adult lives would probably have given these men a different viewpoint. Dempsey slaughtered Willard and survived Firpo, but lost twice to Tunney. What big man ever beat Dempsey? Tunney lost only to the middleweight Greb. Louis slaughtered all his big competition but lost to three smaller men.The history of that era would have pointed to the most dangerous men being clever, smaller men.There have been several posts assuming what Al Weill was thinking, but there have been very few actually quoting him, and those that have surfaced have simply contradicted the Valdes is the most dangerous theory.Personally, off my reading and what I remember from the era, I think Archie Moore was viewed as the most dangerous contender.
     
  4. edward morbius

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    If you were trying to sell to the general public, the Moore-Valdes matchup makes sense,as does the Marciano-Don C matchupI can see what how a promoter would think. The top four contenders in early 1955 for Marciano's title were Moore, Valdes, Baker, and Don C. Baker was compromised by having lost to Moore. Valdes doubly compromised by having lost to both Moore and Baker.One could match Moore directly with Marciano, and have Valdes and Don C fight an eliminator. But the winner would still probably be viewed as an inferior contender to Moore. I can see the case for matching Moore and Valdes with the winner emerging a strong contender, although if Valdes won he still might have to have been matched with Baker to assure his position.This is not based on what boxing politicians like the NBA thought, but off what the general public would think, as they are the ones who have to provide the gate.
     
  5. Bummy Davis

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    This is the way I see it
     
  6. Bummy Davis

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    Archie was superior over Valdes always and rated accordingly even though he was light-heavyweight Champ he was still the superior heavyweight and most dangerous opponent, Marciano gave the better man the title shot
     
  7. klompton2

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    The fight was not televised, or broadcast live on the radio. It was shown on closed circuit in select theatres but blacked out locally in New York. The fight was broadcast over the radio but it was not live. How they accomplished this was interesting as I have the radio broadcast. They had a guy ringside sending ticker tape reports back to the radio station. There was a guy in the station reading off the ticker tape live as if he were sitting at the fight. You can hear the ticker tape clack-clack-clacking off in the background as the commentator is speaking and sometimes the rounds last 5+ minutes because he had no way to judge how fast to read off what was coming in.