Why did McCracken set Joshua up to try and box Usyk?

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  1. I Dont Play With Dolls

    I Dont Play With Dolls Member Full Member

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    Think you got it spot on, except the last paragraph.
    Joshua got hurt early, but I wouldn't say he went into survival mode

    I'd like to add that McCraken shouting "Brilliant" all night was probably to stop Joshua from being demoralized, think they knew ahead of time that Joshua would be outboxed, but the plan was to just keep throwing, land something anything and let the natural power take the smaller Usyk out.
    Personally I think it was a good plan overall, just the execution wasnt good, Joshua coming in bouncing on his feet was always gonna be a disaster vs Usyk, due to all the feints from the Ukrainian.
     
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  2. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Watch the fight again, Usyk took away everything that AJ was doing. starting with jab and finishing with his uppercuts. There was nothing that AJ could do in that fight, only lucky shot, but that's impossible if you are more tired than your opponent
     
  3. I Dont Play With Dolls

    I Dont Play With Dolls Member Full Member

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    Not sure i'd count that as "coming back after being hurt to win"
    Yes he avenged his defeat in the rematch, but on the night he couldnt come back to win.

    Personally I dont even think he was hurt that bad vs Usyk. So i dont think it will be much of a factor. It just showed that Usyk can hurt him, but everyone already knew that, except the casuals who think if you dont have a 90% KO, you cant punch.
     
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  4. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the idea was for AJ's jab to control distance and pace of the fight and then that open Usyk up to bigger punches as it did in the 5th and 6th. Problem is Usyk's footwork was simply brilliant and he employed much more upper body movement than we had seen previous.
    Joshua was really tentative when he threw and that just allowed Usyk to take over especially later in the fight when as expected Joshua's gas tank emptied.
     
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  5. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, it certainly looked that way.
    So what did you think the game plan was?
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He thought the size difference could negate the skill difference and didn't trust Joshua's chin and gas tank either. They were also looking for a hometown decision. I knew Joshua would come out and box, because he doesn't have the heart to put it on Usyk or the gas tank to sustain that pressure, but i also thought he'd counter more, try to catch Usyk coming in more and go to the body more. He did for a couple rounds and stopped

    Disappointed in the bodybuilder. He stands no chance in the rematch
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    McCracken is just a basic amateur trainer, use your jab and keep your guard up, traditional European style, he did say after that the fight that AJ should have applied pressure behind the jab, but he didn`t teach AJ to feint or anything.
     
  8. sniffmybadger

    sniffmybadger Relationships are not my forte Full Member

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    Fury leans on smaller opponents to wear them down and gets a rest at the same time, Wlad used to do this as well. I wonder why AJ never really used this tactic, maybe he's just not that good at getting inside and tying opponents up.
     
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  9. MarvelousMarvinGolovkin

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    He hoped it'd either be a hometown robbery or Usyks chin wouldn't be good for some reason
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Pretty sure AJ looked like a big stiff robot when he tried to walk Usyk down and that he was the only one who was hurt in the fight (a couple of times) and in danger of getting stopped. Usyk took the fight to the much bigger man AJ he didn't run or try to steal a points decision on the back foot. Obviously AJ would've run the risk of walking him into big counters he didn't see coming had he been more aggressive and reckless and he would've gassed too and very likely got stopped again.

    Usyk had been very inactive going into the fight, had only fought one world class opponent in three years and fought twice in total, and he literally had everything against him both in terms of physical advantages and a stacked deck and yet he still outclassed AJ in his backyard. However, the narrative is all about what the loser did wrong as opposed to what the winner did right and the fact AJ was the only one who was hurt in the fight and in danger of getting stopped or that he wouldn't have been able to adjust and have an answer for what AJ was doing had he come with a different game plan is being conveniently ignored by many of those pushing this narrative.
     
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  11. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    You will get your prized spastic brain damaged talking that **** mark
     
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  12. gmurphy

    gmurphy Land of the corrupt, home of the robbery! banned Full Member

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    Exactly, they are setting aj up for a wilder level brain damaging.
    Just except it AJ fanboys, her doesnt have it in his DNA to beat Uysk
     
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  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, I don't know why everyone assume he did. Why are everyone so sure that they didn't have a more aggressive game plan that Joshua just found very hard to implement?
     
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  14. Serge

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    'Anthony Joshua says he feels under pressure to deliver a spectacular finish when he returns to boxing in front of a big crowd for the first time in three years against Oleksandr Usyk on Saturday.

    It was September 2018 that Joshua stopped Alexander Povetkin at Wembley in front of 80,000 fans, the last in a run of huge stadium events that had begun with his career-defining win over Wladimir Klitschko.

    But since then, things have been on a smaller scale – fights with Andy Ruiz Jr in New York and Saudi Arabia and a 1,000-strong Covid-restricted crowd at Wembley Arena.

    Joshua insists, however, that he is better now than ever before.

    “I feel better now than I did going into the Klitschko fight,” Joshua said. “It’s not about nerves but I’m just more experienced and I know what I’m doing. I know what I'm going to do – I just know – a knockout.

    “It’s Kronk style. I've been watching a lot of certain things – I like Emanuel Steward's mindset. Obviously, you have to do your ABCs but if you follow them you get to KO.

    “That’s what I’m here to do – put on a spectacular show. People want to see knockouts. That’s what we’ve got to deliver for the fans.”

    “The last place I would want to be is facing myself, Joshua said, “I’m not an easy fight for anyone. I love fighting. God has blessed me and shown me the path to get into boxing.

    “There has to be a reason why I’m here because it has been so quick. I’m here, I’m happy and I’m blessed.

    “I don’t fight good fights to get people to respect me, but if you tell me to fight King Kong, I’d give it a go. This is my job, I’m just going to work. This is a blessing, these are the best days of my life.”

    Joshua believes he has improved since he last boxed, having used much of lockdown to concentrate on improving his craft.

    “You’ve got to want to train, you’ve got to want to put the work in, you’ve got to want to improve,” he said.

    “When I started boxing it was fun because I was absolutely **** when I started. I’m still getting better.

    “I used to train and get better and three months later, I’d come back and, beat the guys who used to beat me up. This fight gave me the motivation to practice against a really good fighter, so I’ve had fun in camp.
    “Through practice, you can see improvements. Like a dog or a baby, I’ve praised when I do well and that makes me want to do give more.”
     
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  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it's more a case of "everyone has a plan until they get hit in the face" than having the wrong plan. Usyk is so unique that's it very, very hard to prepare for him. I do think they weren't prepared for him opening up so fast, though.

    Something I was surprised by is that Joshua didn't snap the jab, more pawed with it. I don't know why that happened.

    Only using it as a lead hand control and range finder won't bother Usyk much at all, just give him something to counter. He must mix that up with hard, snappy jabs, to try and get Usyk off balance.
     
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