Why did no one fight Paul Williams

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  1. One Time

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    His name isn't on the records of Pacquiao, Cotto, and Mayweather. Even Mosley, who is genuinely a fight everybody guy, doesn't have Tall Paul's name on his record.
     
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  2. Golden Boy 360

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    high risk-low reward
     
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  3. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    For a couple years he was the most feared man in boxing... not Margarito as some will have you think.

    Williams never got with GB or TR and I think in the end that is what prevented a higher quantity of good opposition for him.

    Nobody wanted to fight Williams other than Sergio until Sergio scored the epic KO of the Year on him.

    Unfortunate he couldn't have gotten good fights down at WW just before and after the Margarito-Quintana I-Quintana II stretch.

    Really wish the accident never happened. I think about Williams somewhat frequently still. When the news dropped, I was still high on the fresh news that he was fighting Alvarez in that upcoming September (when he went on to fight Josesito instead) and I remember getting legit depressed, called my brother and gramps to tell them...
     
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  4. Imperial1

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    Maravilla fought him
     
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  5. Golden Boy 360

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    Canelo-Williams would've been epic.
     
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  6. Kush

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    Sergio khtfo
     
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  7. Pimp C

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    I'm assuming you're talking about at WW??? High risk low reward that and he was a huge WW who dwarfed everyone at WW.
     
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  8. Imperial1

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    Quintana fought him
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    This, and he was a bit schizophrenic in choosing a weight class for a while.

    (all over the map early, then settling on welterweight from 2005 until 2008, then jumping up to middle to KO poor Andy Kolle, then down to light middle to claim a 2nd division title, back up to middle for Winky and Maravilla, down again to 154 to make Cintron jump the ring, back halfway up to 160 for Maravilla II at the stupid 158lb catch-weight, then down to light middle for his last two matches...)

    Any given time during the last several years of his career, you had Williams placed into hypothetical match-ups at 147, 154, and 160...hell, even some at 168...and they all seemed feasible. He was really straddling all of them at once.
     
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  10. kirk

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    Im a huge Williams fan (I think I even made a thread back then saying 'Paul Williams is the truth at 147' or something like that)

    Was he avoided? Most certaintly.

    And when you are avoided the way he was by the big names in your division, theres only a few options you have.

    - Keep fighting, and keep winning, become unavoidable.

    - Move up until you find an opponent willing to fight you or your potential risk to your opponents decreases enough to where you get fights.


    Williams was on his way to being unavoidable when he beat Margarito, and in his very next fight he winds up losing a lackluster decision to Quintana... getting outpointed and outboxed through most of the fight. That fight, regardless of his quick and resounding redemption in their immediate rematch, gave all the names excuses to not fight him. When asked about Williams, 'The guy that just got beat by Quintana?'

    Unfortunately for Williams, by the time he recaptured his momentum, he ran into Sergio Martinez (they met because they were both being avoided at the time), and that fight, imo, ended Williams peak form. Whether I think he won or lost, it was a terribly brutal fight where he ate many hard punches.... and Martinez finished the last of him with one of the most brutal one punch KO's in recent memory at the time.


    So, in short, imo.... as soon as Williams was becoming unavoidable, he lost. Then when he was about to become unavoidable again, he lost and imo also lost his peak. And while he was certainly avoided, I don't blame any one person for not fighting him, because with so many options around at the time, Williams never got to that point where he was unavoidable and anyone who didn't fight him was blatantly ducking him. Well he did, after he beat Margarito, but then he lost it right after.
     
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  11. Above Deck

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    This.
     
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  12. Ted Stickles

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    Way to much risk at WW
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :good

    That is how it happened.
     
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  14. fighter86

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    I can't remember the fight but he once made 147 and on fight night came in at 174 unbelievable.
     
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  15. Ted Stickles

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    Don't know if it was that much weight but I do remember him struggling to make weight against Quintana for some reason and he rehydrated a lot on fight night.
     
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