Why did Pacquiao abruptly decline after Cotto fight

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    A fighters speed and quickness is magnified against much slower fighters.
    DLH, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito.......all slower and less athletic than Tim Bradley.

    ......so its not so much that Pacquiao was declined than Bradley was just a step up speedwise than the fighters Pacquiao demolished.
    As well, Bradley was much better defensively than any of the opponents Pacquiao was demolishing.
     
  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The quickest and fastest fighter that Pacquiao ever fought was Lehlo Ledwaba. Hands down nobody comes close to his speed among Pacquiao opposition. It was a whitewash for Pac.

    This notion that Pacquiao only succeeds against flat footed fighters is incorrect. JMM and Morales were his toughest assignment. JMM has lead feet and Morales is fairly quick, but no Roy Jones.
     
  3. kirk

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    I disagree. I dont think there was an abrupt decline until after the margarito fight....
     
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  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Margarito fight showed a huge mental decline. Pacquiao didn't press for the KO against Margarito. Something that at the time was unfathomable in a Pacquiao fight.

    Flashback to 2010 and we see Pac carrying a fighter. At that time it was like I can't believe what I'm seeing.
     
  5. kirk

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    Id have to rewatch, maybe theres a point there in terms of his killer instinct, but I am talking purely from a physical standpoint.

    The Mosley fight was imo the first fight I noted a visible decline in pacs form. I made a thread about it at the time.

    If talking mental or killer instinct... maybe so, idk.
     
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  6. Tyson Fury Goat

    Tyson Fury Goat Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    the margo fight took it all out of him it was stupid fight to take the size difference was immense amazing such a little fighter was able to fight him of
     
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  7. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Upwards of 130 lbs, I don't consider Pacquiao to be a puncher.
    He still hit hard enough yes, but those fighters north of 130 lbs could withstand more than those at 130 lbs and below.
    The Hatton fight to me was an aberration.
    That Hatton was mentally shot to pieces and the fact that Pacquiao was so much faster than he was only compounded matters.

    Pacquiao stopped DLH and Cotto, but those fights were stopped on accumulation, not so much because of Pacquiao's punching power.
    Margarito went the distance, but that fight also could have been mercy stopped.
     
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  8. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    De La Hoya and Cotto? Or are you going to get extremely technical about it?
    Pac also knocked down Braldey, Vargas, Mosley and Marquez. He also hurt badly everyone else that he fought with the exception of Clottey.
    He still had power, but 147 was his limit.
    And then his work rate started dropping.
    He moved up to 147 at the age of 30. Of course he was going to start slowing down. And there is the possibility of PEDs.

    But even now, he still has power. No one is walking through his shots. And that mighty ****ing impressive for a 39 year old former flyweight.
     
  9. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This guy is just trolling for attention or some ****.
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    The typical decline in skills that all fighters see with age and wear.

    It was made to seem more dramatic by the encounters with Marquez X2 and Mayweather in the years after; two fighters unlike any other Pac had ever fought before (Marquez aside) and with skills that certainly trouble him.

    Many of his fights after Cotto were still 120-108 or 119-109 sort of UD's. So, in some sense, his decline is being more exaggerated with retrospect. There's a reason he was still, um, about P4P #2 in 2015.
     
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  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Definitely, he'd take two steps and stop the advance and Mosley just had to turn him. Looked heavy on his feet. I think around this time the "cramps" excuse started coming out.
     
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  12. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    I actually agree. Pacquiao is feather-fisted at 147. Hits slightly harder than Paulie.
     
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