Why did Pacquiao and Roach claim they were ready for counter puncher's pre JMM when..

Counter-punching is a label that doesn't serve as a blanket term for all counter-punching styles. The things JMM did to trouble Manny can be emulated, but what he did was unique to his own style and doesn't necessary translate across all counter-punchers.

 

Two things: obviously they thought they were ready, and they thought wrong. Also, what the **** were they supposed to say even if they knew they weren't ready?

"Dur... we don't have a clue how we're going to neutralize Marquez, guess we'll just go out and wing it."

Second thing: people have to realize that boxers talking about fighting is a whole game, and most guys that play the game of talking about their bouts much do it with the main purpose of projecting strength, confidence, and competence. Some don't play the game, some are too honest to know there is a game going on, and some try use it as a chance to psych out their opponent, but for most they're sticking to the standard script.

I mean ****, there are interview with early Tyson opponents talking about how they'd seen the tape and they hit harder than Tyson, they were more skilled, etc. Do you think Donnie ****ing Long really thought he hit harder than Tyson? **** no! But what else do you expect him to say?

As for your poll, I think there was a window of time from 2008-2010 where Pacquiao could legitimately get to Mayweather, now I think his only chance is outworking Mayweather on volume to get a decision. Mayweather has successfully waited out the period when Pac would b a genuine danger.

 

So what changed? Pac got old? He's younger than Mayweather! To say that there ever was a time that Pac could beat Floyd is to lie to yourself. Beating up come-forward, flat-footed, no-defense fighters doesn't tell me anything. Many have said that Pac is the same fighter and when he fought someone with a different style (again) it showed!

 

Yes, and as we all know, physical age is the only factor that effects where a fighter is in relation to their prime. So guys who are, say, offensive fighters have absolutely no reason to age more rapidly than defensive fighters who take nowhere near as many blows in return.

And if a guy fights 4 times a year and the other guy once, then there's no reason why the guy fighting more often would be more worn down if he's younger. Ditto for guys who spend all their time between bouts drinking and doing coke, that can't effect their ability, only their physical age can do that. Or guys who blow up in weight. Or guys who only fight part-time, while running a business or something.

That's also why we know for a fact that Shane Mosley is a more legitimate fighter than Bernard Hopkins at this point. After all, Shane is 6 years younger, and thus cannot possibly be more shot than Hopkins. It's physically impossible! He's younger!

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I think he was much more dangerous to Mayweather a couple of years ago, although I wouldn't have made him the favorite. I think he's becoming less and less dangerous with the passage of time.

 

Should they have said: We can't fight counter punchers, they will dismantle us.

 

Agreed! And Floyd said he's gonna massacre Oscar (split decision) :rofl

 

*****s making counterattack threads after Floyd flashed the world his gigantic vagina by declaring he won't accept 50/50.

:rofl:rofl:!::!:

 

true. not many thought jmm was gonna box him. diaz, katsidis, he fought straight up- nacho is a genius

 

Floyd is a once in a generation talent, so obviously beating lesser opponents does not mean you will beat Floyd.

But Pac has slowed down and lost both power and killer instict. I am not saying he would beat Floyd a few years ago. Prime Pac and prime Floyd are both so outstanding fighters with such special styles that it is hybris to believe you know how the fight would play out. I guess I would have Floyd as the favourite, but Pacs chances would have been a lot better for sure.

 

Are we supposed to listen to a poster who believes himself to prove a point by stipulating Pac is simillar to a nervous little school girl?