Why Did Pac's KO's Stop At the Same Time Floyd Accused Him Of PEDS?

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  1. Tekniqs

    Tekniqs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i have serious doubts that Pac was ever on PEDs. The guys he faced afterwards all had good beards.
     
  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You guys thought Ariza was supplying Pac PED's. Floyd has said pac's punching power stopped with Ariza. Ariza now with Floyd, + Heredia.

    SO by your logic, Pac was on PEDs back then, but Floyd will be on PEDs against a clean Pac when they fight. lol
     
  3. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Poor logic. Let's work backward through his opponents at welterweight or above:

    UD Algieri: Tough, defensive, never stopped, nearly killed by Provodnikov and still fought through it. DROPPED SIX TIMES.
    UD Bradley II: Tough, lots of movement, never been stopped, nearly killed by Provodnikov and still fought through it.
    UD Rios: Tough, actually enjoys being punched, never been stopped.
    KTFO6 Marquez: Tough, never been stopped.
    L Bradley: Tough, undefeated, never been stopped, could probably recover from being decapitated (as shown in the fight with Holt).
    MD Marquez: Tough, never been stopped.
    UD Mosley: Tough, never been stopped, didn't even try to fight after taking that knockdown. On the record describing the power as "weird" and admitted that he was afraid.
    UD Margarito: Tough, only stopped by Mosley, Pacquiao clearly could have stopped him but let off the gas. Arguably should have bee stopped anyway.
    UD Clottey: Tough, defensive, never been stopped, didn't even try to fight.
    KO Cotto: Stopped by Margarito.

    Mayweather's welterweight record:

    UD Maidana: Never been stopped
    MD Maidana: Never been stopped
    MD Alvarez: Undefeated
    UD Guerrero: Tough, never been stopped
    UD Cotto: Stopped by Margarito and Pacquiao
    KO Ortiz: Stopped by Maidana (currently has 4 quitjob stoppages to his name)
    UD Mosley: Tough, never been stopped
    UD Marquez: Tough, never been stopped
    KO Hatton: Undefeated
    SD ODLH: Stopped by Hopkins.
    UD Baldomir: Stopped once very early in his career
    UD Judah: Stopped by Tszyu

    Pacquiao Evaluation:
    -10 fights. 8 opponents. 1 stoppage.
    -ALL opponents notable for extreme toughness except Cotto, the one he stopped.
    -Out of 8 opponents, only Margarito and Cotto had been stopped before, both once.
    -One controversial win (MD Marquez) and one controversial loss (SD Bradley).

    Mayweather Evaluation:
    -12 fights. 11 opponents. 2 stoppages.
    -6 out of 11 opponents had never been stopped.
    -Stopped one opponent who had never been stopped (Hatton), though he did go on to get stopped twice more.
    -Two controversial wins (SD ODLH and MD Maidana)

    Thread Evaluation:
    -OP is stupid.
     
  4. The Akbar One

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    I think Pac's power was a bit overhyped and over rated. It was part of the rabbid Pacmania going around. Pac had good power at the lighter weights. There was nothing hyped about it. He was hitting hard. When he moved up in weight, his power didn't carry proportionally with him, and also if you look at who he was fighting, who KO's those guys? Recall, he didn't KO De La Hoya. Oscar quit on his stool. Recall he didn't KO Cotto. The ref stopped the fight in the 12 at a time when Cotto wasn't even hurt. Pac pounded on Margarito for 12 rounds and couldn't KO him. While an old Mosely got Margarito out of there in less time, and with less punches. Pac couldn't even make Clottey blink. But nobody else does either. My point is that Pacman's power was overhyped and over rated, it was part of Pacmania. Sure he looked like the Filipino mini hulk against Hatton, De La Hoya, and Cotto, but he didn't knock De La Hoya or Cotto out. Yeah he KO'd Hatton, but Hatton had almost been KO'd by Juan Lazcano, but wasn't thanks to the ref jumping in and calling timeout so Hatton could get his shoe tied, while still woozy, allowing for a full recovery, instead of a KO.
     
  5. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The only one working with a known PED cheat is Pac. Justin Fortune, Pac's Steroid & Chemicals coach, is a BUSTED PED CHEAT. FACT! Heredia isn't even working with Floyd.
     
  6. boyschoir

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    Ariza in Pac's camp = supplier of PED's thru Ariza smoothies :deal

    Ariza in Floyd's camp = S and C Coach only :rofl

    S and C coach of Pac = PED's supplier :rofl

    "it's the hypocrisy of Floyd's fans that's funny" - Doug Fischer (RING TV) :deal

    :hi:
     
  7. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    NOPE. I said Floyd is leveling the playing field. I still stand by the only one proven to be a PED CHEAT is Justin Fortune and he's Pac's S&C coach. FACT! IRREFUTABLE. :deal:deal:deal

    And yes I believe Ariza is a PED supplier too. Shame on Floyd for using him. And time will prove me right.
     
  8. boyschoir

    boyschoir Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yup, i noticed Floyd's head getting bigger....suspicious :yep

    "it's the hypocrisy of Floyd's fans that's funny" - Doug Fischer (RING TV) :deal

    so true :hi:
     
  9. tarugojones

    tarugojones Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What logic ? flomturds has no logic. :rofl
     
  10. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ariza shakes! Pretty soon Floyd's wrist will grow to be as large as Heavyweight wrists.
     
  11. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because he's fighting bigger guys... Coincidence. And what KO's all of a sudden came to a stop? The Cotto win was great, but he TKO'd a zombified Oscar. Pretty sure those are his only knockout wins at 147.

    Where did this "sudden loss of KO power" occur? :huh I don't see a huge list of KO's above 135.
     
  12. Techniques

    Techniques Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thats because 911 was an inside job
     
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  13. finalfight

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    Agreed with the thread evaluation but Manny fought the bones of Cotto at catchweight and Mayweather fought him at light middleweight.

    There are probably other catch-weight examples in Pacquiao's resume but I am not sure off the top of my head.
     
  14. finalfight

    finalfight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well then it's only his head as the recent open media workout shows Mayweather looking as trim as ever, no obvious physical changes as with latter day Marquez or Pacquiao moving up in weight. Business as usual.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX4He3v2rF4

    Clean athelete using Ariza for stretching etc and keeping him away from team Pacquiao.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAzsZgMKtLY
     
  15. finalfight

    finalfight Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Algieri looked like a powder puff against past opponents. Hell, slips a side at least of those six knockdowns came from a gust of wind when someone opened the door to exit the arena.