why did roy jones an jc never fought in thier primes

Yeah I realized when I was typing it that it actually wasn't quite the same but just said **** it :good

 

One of the worst robbery's ever witnessed in the history of the sport. He battered Korea's amatuer champion and the decision went to the Korean. Guess where the Olympics were held? Korea! Still people should know Calazaghe was willing to come here to fight Jones, Jones did not feel he was a big enough attraction to warrant a fight. Instead he went on to make PPV money of part time garbage men and police officers. Sorry but I am an American and sometimes the truth hurts. Hopkins only fought once outside the states as well. Hats of to Winky Wright and Glen Johnson, both have fought just about everywhere in the world!

 

But, ultimately, it has probably hurt Jones more than Calzaghe.

Especially if Calzaghe batters Jones in Cardiff. Calzaghe will retire 46-0 with Hopkins and Jones as the last victims on his resume - guys who you state Calzaghe never would have beaten prime for prime.

Whereas Hopkins and Jones retire on a loss to a protected overrated Euro bum who fought his whole career in Wales against hand picked opponents.

Not a bad result for Joe :happy

 

Hey, it was a decent effort :good

 

I don't think he will get much credit for beating this version of Roy, only his nuthuggers will praise that victory.

 

Duran77

Good to read an objective post, never really saw much of jones early career and im no expert but would like others opinions on RJJ because ive seen a lot of his fights recently and the guy was awesome I have to admit, incredible hand speed and reflexes just seemed to toy with people before decapitating them.

One question I have, I have wondered though how do you think he would react against someone who could take his punishment, pressure him and fight back with the heart not to give up?
Mike Tyson comes to mind as someone who was an incredible talent and could beat people with his sheer presecence let alone his power but seemed to disintegrate mentally when he wasn't dominating his opponent.

 

Hopefully the huge pride and ego of Calzaghe will make him fight Pavlik, the fight I think most fans would like to see on both sides of the atlantic.
I dont agree with some comments on here that joe is past his best bcos he struggled with Hopkins, I think he was a little too complacent to be honest he seemed like he needed a kick up the ass, the knockdown focused his mind.
Calzaghe has massive pride he'll want a good performance and make a statement in his next fight whoever it may be.

 

True. But battering a 'past it' Jones might be preferable to getting schooled by a prime Jones.

From Jones' perspective, he MUST be thinking................why didn't I just school this Calzaghe guy back in 1998(-2003). Now I gotta go Cardiff.............oh man!

 

Even if Joe wins now history will still place them in the following order unless Calzaghe pulls a miracle out of his A$$
Jones>>>>>>>Hopkins>>>>Joe C. Also alot of people are thrashing Jones now because of his late career losses but in the future they will be a tiny footnote to a legendary career, Do you ever here anybody mention Durans, leonards, Ali's, Louis's late career losses, No because everyone with boxing knowledge knows what each was capable of and done in there primes

 

I don't think they were in the same division at the time?

 

roy jones prime was a very long time ago. who was calzaghe back then? did anyone even know who he was really?

 

The fight with McClellan was in the works before G-man lost to Benn. Benn didnt want to fight Jones. Truth be told in 1992 Jones knocked out Percy Harris to become the number one contender for Benn's WBC title, Benn wouldnt fight Jones knowing that he had a huge fight upcoming with Eubank. The opening came for Jones to fight for the IBF title at middleweight and he jumped on it.

Liles??? are you serious??? Don King said that they had no intent on fighting Jones. REASON Jones wouldnt agree to give King options. King wanted Jones, he wanted to promote him and hampered Jones efforts to unify at supermiddle. Just on a side note...Jones beat Liles six times as amteurs three times by knockout or stoppage.

Gomez was a fight that was never talked about, gomez was too big at the time.

DM has been tossed around for 1,000 threads Im not even going to start on that one.

Jirov is the one that Jones should have fought, Im not sure why that fight didnt happen.

Joe turned down an offer to come to the States and fight the P4P king.

The only fighter that Jones openly said he wouldnt fight was Eubank, He said that when he was coming up he wanted to fight Eubank, but Chris wouldnt fight him, but once he made a name for himself and Eubank was on the down side he wanted to fight. Jones said that Eubank wasnt going to make a retirement check with him.

Now with that being said, I will say that if you check Jones resume you will find that Jones beat guys that beat those fighters that you claim would have made his resume better:good

 

His post wasn't actually objective. It was misleading.

First off, the "Garbage man" was a free HBO fight. Duran77 also fails to mention that the "garbage man" (it was his part time job as MANY fighters have when they are not stars) was unbeaten, Top 5 ranked by Ring Magazine and future Lineal title holder Julio Gonzalez....you know, the same fighter who would later beat DM in Germany. So again, if he was being objective, he wouldn't have only given you the part of the equation that made Jones look bad.

The Police officer was a farce and voluntary defense name Richard Frazier. That is a fair assessment.

Duran77 also insinuated that Jones fought a number of these fighter in that time period, "garbage men and police officers". Fact is, Jones fought 8 world champions at this weight, 11 of the 14 fighters he fought were ranked in the top 10 by Ring (and all were by ABC rankings but one) and he unified 3 titles. Not exactly a slate of garbage men and police officers.

Lastly, Jones missed quite a few fighters because he wasn't willing to negotiate lower than what he felt his status should merit. Fair enough from a fighters point of view. But as a fan, it cost him quite a bit in legacy. Some of those fights could have come off if he would have given a bit. But Calzaghe is not one of those fights. Calzaghe to my knowledge wanted Jones to come to him. That was not going to happen no matter WHO it was because of the olympics. Jones had already said that early in his career. Calzaghe has been a champion for a decade, but in the time frame you are talking about, he had JUST become champion and Jones was the established star.

Also, Hopkins fought outside the US 2 times, not once, and you can't compare Wright and Johnson to Hopkins and Jones. Their situations were different.

 

Roy Jones was the Undistuped Light Heavyweight World Champion, and had held titles at Middle Weight and Super Middle Weight. And was going up to Heavyweight to win the heavyweight title, which Roy Jones did.

Joe Calzaghe was the WBO supermiddle weight champion....

Roy Jones did not duck Joe Calzaghe, because Joe Calzaghe was not on his level.