Why did Roy Jones ruin his career the way he did?

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  1. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I admit I was a RJJ hater back in the day. He was busy fighting scrubs like Kelly, Woods (at the time a scrub but won the IBF strap later) Frazier, Hall, Harmon, etc. He should have fought DM and Tarver before his move to heavyweight (I actually picked Tarver to win all 3 fights).

    Then he moves to heavy, beats Ruiz, and goes back to 175? I will never for the life of me understand that. He was 49-1 and had a SLEW of heavyweights to fight and beat while defending the WBA strap. He could have beaten guys like Holyfield, Toney, Rahman, Oquendo, and whoever else was ranked outside of Lewis and the Klit brothers. He could have retired with a pretty record of like 54-1 and had a handful of title defenses at heavy...

    But no, he goes to 175 again and loses to Tarver and Johnson...and here is the part that REALLY annoys me. Roy spent valuable parts of his prime fighting guys at 175 who were not good at all, but then fights Green, Calzahge, Hopkins, and Lebedev when he is WAY PAST his prime.

    If anything he should have done all that in reverse, fight the tougher fights in his prime and fight scrubs when he is past his prime (just to make money, stay in the lime light, etc.)

    Roy and his management team ****ed up so badly.

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  2. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    Personally I think it was all the jumping around weight classes

    Even though he stayed in shape, I reckon he wore out his bodies endurance

    I agree with you, he should have stayed at heavy weight. Would have done more for his resume than moving back down. But the flip side is we dont know the money that was on offer.
     
  3. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    better drugs testing killed his career, its a shame if your a fanboy, but for the sport of boxing it is a great thing.
     
  4. james!

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  5. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Roy at heavyweight would have HBO creaming. The money would be there and he could have fought guys in the lower part of the top 10 and EASILY won. He would have made some of them look so foolish.

    Stupid. stupid Roy.
     
  6. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    Roy wanted Tarver..would have fought him if he didn't lose to Harding the 1st time. He only went up to HW for the history and payday. He only wanted Tyson for the payday. There was no demand for Chris Byrd or James Toney fights. Rahman or Oquendo? Seriously? He went down because of Tarver's trash talk and his own foolishness in taking off the weight being easy. It was ok to go down, but he went down too quickly. Could have cut it slowly, getting a strap at crusier along the way and been down by 04.
     
  7. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    No demand in PPV for any of those fights. He had a deal with HBO, but he wanted big money fights, hence why he went up in the first place. The only novelty was seeing Roy fight a man much much bigger. The novelty wore off after he outclassed a top 5 guy like Ruiz. The only big money fight at HW was Lewis, and neither he nor Lewis wanted that fight.
     
  8. vargasfan1985

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    HBO aired his fights against AWFUL fighters. HBO would have aired RJJ fighting Rahman and Oquendo for sure. Both of them were on HBO multiple times anyway. HBO loved airing Rahman's fights and I know Oquendo was on for the Byrd fight. They were just examples though.
     
  9. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I am not so sure him staying at HW would have been the best idea... He was too small to really compete with the Klits and Lewis.. His mandatory was Corrie Sanders, which I would pick Roy to beat IF he could stand the first few rounds when Corrie went on a rampage...

    Also, he did beat Tarver, it didn't look good but he did... That win is very underrated because Roy didn't look good, but he did edge out a close but clear win IMO..

    That win made history a bit too, but no one really thinks of it.. I am not a great boxing historian, but I can only name two fighters that dropped from HW and won the LHW championship in his next fight, Roy being one of them..

    That for me is on par with moving up to heavyweight and winning a title....

    I have always said Roy should have retired after Tarver 1, the dropping in weight clearly hurt his body, and he was getting older anyways.. For a fighter with Roy's kind of style, 33 is pretty old... Had he retired then, and didn't get stupid and disqualified against Griffin, he would have been 50-0.. Titles from Mw to Hw and then back down to LHW before calling it quits... damn impressive.

    He is doing nothing now but making people forget how good he once was... I almost got used to it myself, but watched a few old fights recently and remembered how good he really was.
     
  10. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you read my post completely, I said if he steered clear of Lewis and the Klit brothers. His mandatory was not due for a year, which can be extended since it happens all the time. In the span of a year he could have fought 3 times at least. Also, Sanders was not the mandatory, Ruiz was since he beat Rahman for the interim belt.

    End of the day, RJJ should have stayed at heavyweight and won 2-4 fights and retire.
     
  11. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    They were airing the Byrd/Oquendo fight because Byrd was the IBF champ. No one wants to see Byrd and Roy not take chances for 12 rounds. HBO wanted the Tarver fight because of their history and Tarver's big mouth. He was the consensus #2 LHW when Roy went up.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu2DivG5Uao[/ame]

    @ 44:11

    Tarver or Ruiz is next.
     
  12. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    your always a good read chief :deal

    you don't talk much on the steroids issue though, do you try and sweep it under the carpet?
     
  13. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I guess you are right, Sanders never was the mandatory.. but that was the talk of Roy's next HW fight..

    I still stand by him dropping and beating Tarver and then retiring... Like I said, that win is underrated, and I rate it as his 3rd best win, and also there is a little history there in being able to do that.
     
  14. Chempasillo

    Chempasillo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    mega ego. he wanted to be treated like a god and let everythng come to him. X shouldve get less money than him, dariusz should have come to the us. calzaghe shouldve fought for 30 %. at the end, when he wasn't king anymore and his ego was away he started fighting for legacy against trinidad, X rematch, sadly to late. shame. now he has so many losses and sad legacy. had he not had this big ego and fought X for 50/50 and made stronger askings for bigger challlenges, he would've fought and beat eubank, benn, dm....everybody.
     
  15. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    I am not too sure about the roids...

    I know Roy failed a drug test, I know he admitted to taking Andro, which was banned... I know that whole drug test thing was not done like it should have been as well, too much question, standard procedure wasn't followed..

    Is Roy telling the truth? maybe, maybe not..

    Regardless, roids are a bigger part of the last 30 years of boxing that most want to admit.. Though definitely not an excuse, but we have to realize there are much more, (some we consider greats possibly) that were just never tested, or caught..

    Is it still wrong? yes, but I remember that when we point our fingers at the "cheaters"

    I certainly don't think it was responsible for how good Roy was, many proven roid users looked nothing like Roy Jones.:yep