Why did Spinks put on 25lb to fight Holmes?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    It's one or the other imo.

    Either you try to imagine a 205 pound Marciano attacking the modern division.

    Or you imagine the Rocky we know attacking the CW/LHW division.

    I just don't see the point in picturing a 189 pound man running a HW gauntlet today.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sure, but Spinks didn't do that.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with you that the additional weight affected Spinks. But he was fighting a guy who outweighed him by about 50 pounds.

    I wouldn't have fancied his chances against Larry weighing 175 though, and I don't think it would have been allowed because of the limit.

    I think Spinks could carry weight better than Rocky could have done though.

    Yes, in today's era, Rocky would have been a CW or a LHW, unless he'd have bulked up. But again, in my opinion, a bulked up Rocky wouldn't have been as effective.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    But a bulked up Spinks wasn't as effective either.

    It's about the trade off.

    I mean was Chris Byrd's best weight really 210 pounds? Was Jones any better at 199? Did Holyfield magically become better from 190 to 210?

    Clearly Rocky could add 20 pounds of muscle if he desired. The question is then just a matter of how competitive he'd be at the top level.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Would he have the output, stamina and flexibility he displayed at 185-190?
     
  7. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Putting on weight was never a problem for Marciano, after all he looked like a stuffed pig after he retired, I guess around 250 pounds.

    However he knew better than all the so called "experts" that his B E S T weight to suit his brawling style was between 180-190.

    Case closed.
     
  8. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    I don't know if he could have put on 20lbs of lean muscle given the sports science of the time.
     
  9. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    great post.
     
  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I don’t see anything unusual about these numbers to be honest.

    185-190lbs was a fairly typical weight for a light heavyweight who was still active in the division, to come into a heavyweight or catch weight fight at, in the eras before bulking up became part of the programme.

    Also if Spinks was killing himself to make the light heavyweight limit, I rather doubt that he would have come into a title fight at 175lbs.
     
  11. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sure. He'd be faster and stronger too.
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    He ought to be able to maintain it over twelve rounds at that weight.

    I don’t think that would be a problem.
     
  13. turnip

    turnip Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think RJJ used the same bloke when he went up to HW?.
     
  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This doesn't translate to other sports.

    Galen Rupp didn't break 28 minues for the 10K when he weighed 148. At 134, he broke 27 minutes. Seb Coe got down to 119 pounds to set his 1.41 record in the 800 meters. I could mention dozens of sprinters and distance men who maximized their strength to weight ratio for what was essentially higher output. You don't gain strength and output together, if you are already are a world class athlete. You simply can't have your cake and eat it, too.

    He may be stronger but he is not going to be able to produce the same output.

    Now, the topic of whether he would be able to display the same output against a world class superheavyweight jab is something entirely different.
     
  15. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For what it's worth, Eddie Futch (trainer of both fighters) said before the fight he thought Spinks made a mistake in putting so much weight on.