Why did Spinks put on 25lb to fight Holmes?

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  1. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're comparing two completely unlike activities. Kyle Dake had a better gas tank the higher he moved up in weight. Dan Gable didn't lose much stamina as he moved up.
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not surprised; a lot of the old-timers (and even Sugar Ray) thought that the new fitness/weight-training regimen was bunk.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I've done both, one at a pretty high level, and saw this truism to be universal.
     
  4. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rocky would be fine. Some light supplement use, a little THG for some size, take some EPO to keep that motor kicking, with a reasonable workout and I think he could put on some weight. Maybe add a little HGH for extra growth if he wanted it, or primobolan if he didn't. Plus weights, something like yoga to keep flexibility (maybe some orthokine if he is taking a pounding on those joints with the extra weight). I mean if he's really worried about stamina we could give him some insulin to regulate that but I'm not quite sure how that might work.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    We don't know how Spinks at lower a weight would have done against Holmes and Co*ney. They were big guys. Mike compromised a bit of speed, but he made up for it in strength.

    Mike was a good HW, even if people think he was lucky with the decisions in the Holmes fights. He proved to me that he was an established HW going into his fight with Mike Tyson.

    He obviously sat down with Mackie Shilstone and discussed what they thought was the best option for him.

    Guys like Byrd, Holyfield and Roy were low output fighters compared to Rocky. When Roy moved up to just under 200 pounds, he kept his speed, but he became stronger and he had the frame to pull it off. Whereas again, I don't think Rocky did. Rocky's greatest asset was his phenomenal output and stamina. And I think the higher he went the more it would have been compromised. I think he specifically fought at the weights he did. I can't envisage him being 20 pounds heavier. It would be like trying to have bulked Ricky Hatton up to have fought at JMW. He didn't have the frame. Everyone has an optimum weight.

    It's a very interesting thread, but I'm not quite sure where you're going with it.

    I believe that all of the guys you mentioned fought at specific weights where they ticked as many boxes as possible.

    It's about compromise and finding the perfect balance.

    Look at Nathan Cleverly. I know it's odd mentioning his name alongside Rocky and Spinks, but when he recently went to CW, the extra weight just sapped his energy. He was exhausted against Bellew and he admitted that he'd made a big mistake. He didn't have the frame to fight at 200 pounds, because he couldn't maintain his main attributes like Roy could against Ruiz.

    Moving up is a delicate situation. There's a lot of variables, depending on your body type and your style of fighting.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good

    That's right.

    He fought at those weights for a specific reason.
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good
     
  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol:

    :good
     
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Rocky weighed 192 shortly before winning the title. I find it hard to believe that a professional athlete cannot successfully add 5% body weight to get above the 200 limit.

    Toney, Holyfield, Jones, Haye, Moorer, Spinks, Byrd, Adamek, Chambers, Cunningham, Huck and others I probably don't remember, but they all saw to compete in the modern era you had to sacrifice some of your attributes to increase in weight.

    There are only three realistic options for a man of Rocky's style and stature in today's climate

    1) he bulks to 200 and fights as a HW.
    2) he stays at 189 and fights as a CW.
    3) he drains to 175 and fights as a LHW.

    He absolutely would not compete in the modern division at his weight.

    I refuse to contemplate how he would fair at 189. Instead I consider how successful he'd be in the 200-210 range.
     
  12. Loudon

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    In my opinion, a modern man with Rocky's style and stature, wouldn't fight above CW in today's era.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Agreed. He'd probably be a small cruiser.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    I think he might well start as a cruiser. But at some point he'd test the HW waters, and to do that he'd put on a stone or so.