Why did The Greatest lose to basically a one-armed fighter?

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  1. Sonny's jab

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    Frazier actually had a very decent right hand. His left hook was his best shot but he was not "one-armed" in any way. His right hand did a lot of hurt and damage, it wasn't something that could be ignored or dsmissed at all. I'm sure a right to the ribs from Frazier would make you DREAD the next one.

    The question should be about why Ali was so easy for Frazier to nail over and over with the left to a point where Frazier looked like a guy who didn't throw rights !

    When you let a guy land his BEST SHOT over and over, he'd be foolish to spend much time landing his secondary shot.
     
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    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Holy sheep ****!!!!!! It's Sonny!!!!

    Where've ya been old pal???

    I'm gonna party now that you're back :mj
     
  3. Bo Bo Olson

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    Mainly because Joe was half blind in his right eye, and therefore stopped using his very good right as much as he had...and he was pressure, hereky jerky, and had an extream work rate.
    Have you noticed tht there is no body that fights that hard, sicne, and before perhaps only the Rock....that hook was always comming....and he did have a jab too...but was sort of short armed vs the very long armed Ali...
    Tyson was pressure, but Joe never seemed to stop when he was in the mood....
    He wasn't there to be cute, he had a cold beer waiting.
     
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    Ali ,going into the Frazier fight had 18 rounds of boxing in 4 years,that isnt an excuse,its a fact! The man considered the best fighter in the world ,fights the fight of his life and has to take incredible punishment to do it,and winds up hospitalized,those arent excuses they are facts!
     
  5. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    My best answer/guess would be this:

    Frazier was able to use the left hook so much because Ali was so open to it. If Ali hadn't had the specific weakness for the left hook, then Frazier would have been in trouble (just as Louis had a weakness for right hands against Schmeling). When your trainer wants you to avoid throwing one punch over and over again, he's assuming you'll be up against a well-rounded opponent without a glaring weakness for a single type of punch. Against another type of fighter, Frazier would have thrown the left hook less and other punches more. It's just that, against Ali, it was the left that got through more often.

    Also, Frazier may have relied on the left hook, but he used his right to keep Ali guessing. He wasn't a true one-handed fighter since he used his other punches to set up his left. It's a bit like the jab. You can't win a fight with JUST a jab, but it's used to set up the powerpunches that WILL win the fight.
     
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    And in the same vein:

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    China must be littered with talented one-armed people.
     
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    My nan actually bought that for me because she thought it was to do with boxing boxing.
     
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    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    They seem to encounter a lot of handicapped opponents too...

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    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    :lol:

    She should get you the sequel too. It's even worse.
     
  12. Sonny's jab

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    Thanks, man. :lol:
    It's good to be here. :good

    I've been busy as hell with work/money issues. Long long work days and on my few days off I enjoy my sleep. :zzz
     
  13. Blacc Jesus

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    Ali was probably pissing blood for weeks from those body shots. :oops:
     
  14. mcvey

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    AH Bless!
     
  15. mcvey

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    I would be surprised if he wasnt!