Why did Tunney retire at 31?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Did he just feel like he accomplished enough, or did something happen to him?

    Any info, much appreciated
     
  2. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He had fallen in love with Polly Lauder, granddaughter of George Lauder, the business partner of Andrew Carnegie. She was one of the richest women in America. Perhaps Tunney had not actually fallen in love with her, but she had fallen in love with him, and so all that money was just sitting there waiting to be grabbed.

    This is the easiest retirement decision in the history of boxing to understand.
     
  3. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I correspond with one of Genes sons who said "Mom always put dad up on a pedestal"
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Tunney had outgrown the game. He was in love, he was super aware of the leap in social class he was marrying into , he had a ton of money and wanted to graduate in every way .. the fight game and the class of people were not for him, they were always a means to an end ... he did not want the life with his wife to interconnect in any way with his boxing past ... there is a very interesting book out called "The Boxer and the Playwrite" by Tunney's son that discussed this all in detail. He also states that Tunney never, ever kissed a girl before his marriage to his wife ... he was a pure virgin when he was fighting for the title ... compare that to Dempsey who bounced and lived in brothels and married a hooker ...
     
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    thanks a lot guys

    this is a very reasonable decision!

    I never thought I would hear of another fighter who outgrew the boxing game the way Ali did
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He, like Dempsey, had seen what the game had done and was doing to some of the older veterans and contemporaries, like Langford and Greb. Dempsey and Tunney were both very worried regarding their eyesight.

    Anyways, how many fighters over the last few decades go 70 fights by 31? That's a decent career, especially having to fight Greb and Dempsey multiple times.
     
  7. Johnstown

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    In regards to the eyesight.. i had heard that Tunney had blind spots in his vision...as a child he wanted to test his will power, and did so by starring at the sun. I wonder if maybe his sight was getting worse?
     
  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    True....... His wife had more $$$ than he had....... Why not retire? :hey

    You ever see the mansion of his and her's in Greenwich Village???:p

    Tunney was set and livin' good when the nation was ****ed in '30.......:deal

    MR.BILL:roll::patsch:twisted::yep:deal:hat
     
  9. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was too smart which is another reason he was never embraced as wholeheartedly by fans as some other less distinguished fighting men were/are.
     
  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    An incredible career indeed. His only loss coming to the legendary Greb. I wonder how he would do h2h against some other legends. I think it's pretty evident that Dempsey would have gotten him in his prime, but a veteran Dempsey was also an incredible fighter, and it takes an ATG to defeat him.

    And I believe the long count is BS. If you look at Tunney's face, you can just see he was ready to get up at any time. He just took advantage of the ref taking longer to count to regain himself, thats all.
     
  11. Jack Dempsey

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    Polly Lauder only died in 2008 at almost 101!
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tunney was a very smart man and had no real emotional attachment to the sport or the people in it. He really meant it when he retired from the sport.
     
  13. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tunney-Heeney lost money. Gene might have stuck around for a lucrative Dempsey III, but Jack remarkably nixed it in favor of preserving his eyesight, and even more remarkably opted not to attempt an official comeback after the Crash wiped him out. So even before Rickard died, the money was simply no longer there for Tunney to make by competing. Jack Sharkey had the attitude and big mouth necessary to generate ticket sales, and I suspect Tunney-Sharkey would have turned enough of a profit to induce Gene to maybe stick around for one more defense. Unfortunately, Sharkey blew a guaranteed shot at Tunney in the draw with Heeney, and Gene defended against the participant who was not knocked out by Dempsey.

    My 1932 Boxing Illustrated Record Book is awash in advertised products endorsed by both Tunney and Dempsey. I imagine both were making excellent money off the sale of their names and reputations. (The popularity of Dempsey is no surprise today, but the fact that Gene also enjoyed enough prominence to attain numerous product endorsements might be startling to many younger fans.)
     
  14. janitor

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    A better question is why more champions didnt do the same.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Ali ?

    He's the last person i'd say outgrew the boxing game. Last time I checked he was the guy who carried on addicted to the boxing limelight so bad that he was coming to the ring all punch-drunk and brain damaged and not much else in his last couple of fights.
    With the same old lines and bragging, but not even the faculties to spout them properly.
    We can only wish that he had outgrown the game, but sadly he never did.