Why did USADA stop blood testing Floyd & Shane 18 days prior to their fight?

They stopped the blood testing, when they did, because they COULD. It's their decision. The testing methods should be understood and agreed upon by the fighters, prior to appointing a particular agency.

But, the fighters should not tell the agency how to do its job. The fighters should train and let the agency conduct the necessary tests. If a particular agency has stipulations both fighters cannot agree upon, they should pursue the services of another agency, whose methods they can agree on.

 

And you don't think Pac and Co.'s floundering and complete and utter mishandling of the situation had something to with the fight not happening? Wake up.

If Floyd was trying to avoid the fight, they should have called his bluff right there at the negotiating table in Jan., by accepting the 14 day cutoff. Had Floyd then said "OK...10 days!", it would've been checkmate (in terms of determining whether Floyd was being serious about the fight or not). But, that would not have happened because, Floyd started at 0 days and moved from a week to two weeks, in an attempt to compromise on his demand. Chances are they did not want it any more than Floyd did, at that time.

If you want to say Floyd's request was a roadblock to avoid the fight, you need to also acknowledge Pac's resistance to that demand--and any compromise Floyd made on his original demand--was also a roadblock, put up by Pac, to avoid the fight.

 

If that is what your math came up to then I feel sad. People always turning things into extremes when it's not the case. You also just said that you can't defend your point either. It's OK I know you can't because I have tried to argue Pac's side myself and all I can get is speculation unless I ignore things that happened.

Seeing how fighters come down to catchweights I would say should Pac's opponents Jump when Arum says how high. Floyd agreed to the 10mil per pound thing. WHy can't Arum let manny agree to ODST.

It's a clout thing. If you have the clout then you can demand. Just like the Catchweights that Arum demands which give an advantage in some cases. That's a clout thing as well as the 10 mil per pound. That is Manny's Clout. Floyd's Clout let's him make an OSDT demand and that demand ensures there is no advantage. See that difference when we talk about advantages? One contradiction right there.

Like I said. Nobody knows if floyd really believes manny is on something so everything you can say is speculation if you believe that he is using OSDT to duck Pac. Nothing that happened can prove it. Only Arum can by agreeing.

Dam I hate explaining such simple stuff to the black and white simple thinkers. Believing OSDT is a way to duck is an understandable view that can't be proven until Manny agrees.

And yes I think Arum should agree because every reason for not agreeing is either Stupid or Suspect.

 

"How high massa?"

That's what the Mayweather fanatics want apparently...since they do it.

 

See, this is what's wrong with people like you. You constantly insist on one sided arguments and consider it as facts. You deny what the other side of the argument has to say because you cannot comprehend on how to deal with the reason. Bottom line is that OSDT is part of the negotiation. WHat you really want to say is that Pac should just say yes to everything that Floyd says. That will never happen. WHen will you realize that Floyd is the one that doesn't want this fight? How about when Greenberg / ODLH said Haymon and Ellerbe agreed to everything and all of a sudden there was no second negotiation that took place?

Come back to me when you see both sides of the argument. Reply when you can argue using both Pac's logic and Floyd's logic. If not, don't even bother replying.

 

Floyd was exposed when the " second negotiation didn't happen ". I remember when that news came out, *****s went in to hiding. They didn't even bother replying. They waited till the dust settled and then they tried to use the same old routine ( drug testing ) as a way to save Floyd's reputation.

 

Right now, I think most people are aware that Floyd used all this as a way to not fight Pac, and to save his own face too. Clean up the sport? Did anyone really believe that ****? The number of articles calling Floyd out, the boxers saying Floyd's scared, it get larger each time. those who think Pac has to prove his innocence are pretty pathetic. That's not how it works. When a crack head accuses someone of cheating without any shred of evidence, and all the fanboys buy into it, that says something about those fans.

That second round of negotiating really showed that Floyd doesn't want to fight Pac. That just made the obvious more obvious.

I will say, i am impressed when some posters, whom I have been hard on and called fanboy, are getting tired of floyd's ****, that says how far Floyd's falling.

 

What became clear when the dust settled is that Manny had still not agreed to mutually applied fully randomized testing (after giving misleading statements, in the media, causing many to assume he had), and Floyd was on vacation.

When both parties actually go back to the negotiating table and try to work this out--not through Greenburg or some other mediator--like they did in Dec/Jan, all should become clear.

 

The only Fact I put out is that the belief that floyd is using OSDT to duck pac is speculation. I already have all sides. I don't need to spell em out. If the situation looks one sided it's because it is.

I will go ahead and post another post of mine (which you prolly ran from like others do) covering everything that happened.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270815

If I lied in any of this then please let me know. Enjoy.

 

You expect me to respond to a thread that has been talked about just like this thread? You wrote your whole opinion based on others opinion. Replying to your thread is pointless as it is again, biased.

Better question is... Why is Floyd not making noise on who he wants to fight next? He mentioned he wants the winner of Williams vs Martinez but as soon as Martinez KO'd Williams, Floyd went in to hiding AGAIN. He was most likely expecting Williams to win this time because Williams has been exposed.

 

I don't think It was Arum's idea to bring in greenberg. Wasn't it GBP's idea to have a mediator?

 

The whole purpose of unlimited random blood testing is to put fear in fighters from attempting to cheat.

People can argue all day about if the testing will actually catch anyone. Or if the testing is the best testing, or if they are credible yada yada yada. At the end of the day if it makes a fighter have to think twice or 3 times before actually trying to cheat. Or if it scared off a fighter that may have looked to cheat then it has done its job without even having to test. The current system does not instill any fear into boxers from cheating.

Then on the opposite side the question is how much does the blood testing during training effect the fighters during training? If blood testing truly effects Manny during training, then he has all the right to be concerned. But there isn't enough data to support if it does or doesn't effect him. On one hand he blamed blood testing right before the fight on his loss to Morales and thinks Mayweather will have the power to order the OSDA to do the same. On the other hand he blood tested then sparred like 20rds in prep for the Clottey fight.

There concern may only be a concern because of the unknown rather then actual facts. One bad experience doesn't make it true for every single situation. So what they should do is put more effort into gathering data on how much will blood testing will in fact effect Pacquiao. Then they can factually state there concerns based on solid data. Rather then negotiating based on the unknown and being so quick to dismiss a system that could actually become very good for the integrity of boxing.

 

I'm not certain. But, I've only seen direct quotes from Arum on the matter. And he said Greenburg called him, and GBP was not involved.

 

ya know what..put this ****ing thread to rest...there's always going to be two DIEHARD sides arguing when it comes to pac and floyd..it's becoming tiresome really.
i'm a fan of both guys, but i think floyd takes pac over 12 rounds (and i'm filipino..imagine that). BOTH sides are to blame for negotiations falling apart.

and people are in this thread are questioning USADA's motives and credibility...get that **** outta here...they wouldn't destroy their reputation for ONE measly fight (sure it's the biggest fight in boxing but in terms of sports in general, it's pretty miniscule).

as for Ph|lla talking about how the USADA didn't start drug testing immediately after the contracts were signed...no one on these boards can give you an answer...you can't even give an honest answer to that question...it's all speculation unless we hear it straight from USADA...and as far as pac asking for 3 weeks cut off...that's defeating the purpose of RANDOM testing.

 

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