Why did USADA stop blood testing Floyd & Shane 18 days prior to their fight?

Nominee for Dumbest Thread Question of 2010.

 

Sure I posted oppinions to put my view on what the reasons were for things that happened. As far as what actually happened there were no oppinions in there, Just Facts about the moves of both sides. The deceptive moves by Arum were what actually happened. Nothing else to say about that. The reasons why Team Pac (Arum) made those moves is what I speculated on. If you have a reason for what they did that makes more sense then let me know.

As for you question that has nothing to do with anything. It really doesn't matter. It would only matter if floyd was setting up to fight someone. Since he's not then he is still waiting for his and his uncle's legal issues to be resolved. Still the whole second paragraph of yours has nothing to do with anything we are talking about.

I only asked you to respond because I covered ever talking point from both sides in there. Most points I made you can't get past or even respond to.

 

Better thread would be how many steroid BLOOD OR URINE test has manny swole head taken in the last 2 years.

 

A sane *******? WTF

 

you, sir, are an idiot
just cuz you're filipino doesn't mean you're a ******* you dimwit lol

 

:happy
:deal

 

You gotta be either lazy or drinking the crap from ESB's lounge to assert that

 

Look at the bitter Oscar quotes

De la Hoya claims USADA CEO Travis Tygart "personally" informed him that he “testified before Congress that anyone who says HGH (human growth hormone) can be detected by a urine test is mistaken. It can only be detected by a blood test.”

"Now I have to wonder about him," De La Hoya wrote. "I’m saying to myself, 'Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.' I’m not saying yes or no (about whether Pacquiao might be taking performance-enhancing drugs); I’m just saying that now people have to wonder: Why doesn’t he want to do this? Why is it such a big deal?

"A lot of eyebrows have been raised. This is not good at all. C’mon. It’s only a little bit of blood. If you have nothing to hide, then do the test."

"If Pacquiao doesn’t want to do this and risk a possible $40 million payday because he’s afraid of needles or believes he’ll be weakened by blood tests, then that raises question marks," De La Hoya wrote. "The guy has tattoos everywhere; he’s tattooed from top to bottom. You’re telling me he’s afraid of needles?"

“If Pacquiao, the toughest guy on the planet, is afraid of needles and having a few tablespoons of blood drawn from his system, then something is wrong,” de la Hoya writes in his blog. “The guy has tattoos everywhere; he’s tattooed from top to bottom. You’re telling me he’s afraid of needles?”

“Just look away when they put the needle in your arm,” de la Hoya says, adding that Pacquiao will “probably lose more blood in the fight than the blood being drawn for the test.”


He's even more bitter about the Margarito fight and I would imagine it is partly to do with him wasting all those California court cost trying to ban Margarito for life

 

USADA has had very close ties to Golden Boy Productions owner and arena mogul Anschutz corporation (AEG). This is way to much conflict of interest and USADA is always racked with controversial mishaps and biases anyway


Yeah an emotional Oscar cant seem to resist "well Travis tells me this and Travis told me that" and I am sure he and Travis and Tim Leiweke (AEG president) get all giddy doing logistics against Time Warner and comparing Manny to their race horse dealings. "well we got Manny in our stadiums, now we just have to put against OUR thoroughbreds but not before taking OUR tests".

 

…and now USADA and Co. come out with a an article that they are working with Cante’s fighters like Filipino fighter Donaire by giving them all free blood exams and a so called "biological passport" in exchange for his nefarious knowledge on circumventing these same test. How on earth does USADA know that Cante isn’t merely experimenting with these devices as we speak?

"Anti-doping officials refer to routine blood chemistry screening as 'biological passport' testing," said Conte. "It is simply another tool that is used in the attempt to reduce the use of drugs in sport." :hey

 

USADA Chief Tygart says Xylocaine okay for Mayweather http://www.examiner.com/boxing-in-los-angeles/usada-chief-tygart-says-xylocaine-okay-for-mayweather

This proves that Tygart is either scientifically numb or in Mayweather's pockets





Xylocaine directly effects the central nervous system and cardiovascular system and can be useful in arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat) suppression and the inhibition of Norepinephrine (adrenaline/stress hormone/fight or flight response) and thus, can also allow one to relax in the face of a stressful situation. Xylocaine can enhance boxing performance in various ways. Any boxer knows that three minutes against a live opponent in the ring is equivalent to like nine minutes full-out on the body bag. A big part of this has to do with the release of stress hormones such as Norepinephrine that are meant for fight or flight reactions over “short” periods of time only. Thus, stress can be good in a street fight but not in a drawn out boxing match. Many great boxers have never been in a street fight and I heard Lenox Lewis once wisely say that altercations outside the ring can actually mess up your boxing rythoms/adaptations.

SWIMMING, OVERTRAINING, RECOVERY AND NOREPINEPHRINE
By: Owen Anderson http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/peak34.htm

Norepinephrine known as noradrenaline outside the USA, is one of the 'stress hormones' and affects parts of the human brain where attention and impulsivity are controlled. Along with epinephrine this compound effects the fight-or-flight response, activating the sympathetic nervous system to directly increase heart rate, release energy from fat, and increase muscle readiness. It is released from the adrenal glands as a hormone into the blood

In the event, the change in performance associated with recovery was most effectively predicted by changes in plasma norepinephrine concentration, heart rate after the max 100m swim and the POMS (Profile of Mood States) measure of the psychological state of confusion.
Decreases in plasma norepinephrine and increases in max heart rate were associated with better performances, as were reduced levels of confusion. Plasma norepinephrine was the best single predictor of performance, with changes in concentrations of this hormone predicting 82% of the variation between pre- and post-tapering performances!
What conclusions can we draw from this? Bear in mind that norepinephrine is primarily secreted by nerve cells in the sympathetic nervous system, with the effect of elevating heart rate and boosting the rate of breakdown of glycogen and fat for energy.
It also enhances cardiac contractility, allowing the heart to pump more blood per beat. Thus, it would be logical to assume that a rise in norepinephrine levels would be advantageous - a hoped-for outcome during recovery.
Surprisingly, however, the reverse is true. Research has shown that increases in plasma norepinephrine levels are actually linked with staleness in athletes. For example, in a fascinating six-month study carried out with 14 elite swimmers, researchers found that the three athletes who exhibited signs of overtraining (based on performance decrements and high, prolonged levels of fatigue) had significantly higher levels of norepinephrine from the mid-season onwards(3).
While this seems like a paradox, remember that increases in norepinephrine could be viewed as a neat adaptation to too much training - the body's courageous attempt to cope with an excessive workload. With lots of norepinephrine circulating through the tissues, heart rate would rise and energy mobilization increase as part of a concerted effort to withstand the unusually demanding training schedule.
In this light, drop-offs in norepinephrine could be seen as a sign that the body was under less stress, that it had adapted to the preceding training and had less need to fling the neuroendocrine system into overdrive in order to cope with the workload.
And that was precisely the case in the current Australian study: athletes with the biggest drops in resting norepinephrine levels tended to show the best improvements in performance. At the ends of their recovery periods, they were simply in less stressed-out states. (And here it is worthwhile remembering that norepinephrine and its sister epinephrine are considered to be two of the body's principal 'stress' - or 'flight-or-fight' - hormones).
The Australian research is in line with other work in this area, and therefore it appears that norepinephrine could serve as a decent and reliable marker of training progress and work-recovery balance. If norepinephrine shot up, it could well be a time to enhance recovery and cut back on total training load; declines in norepinephrine, on the other hand, would be a sign that training was going swimmingly.
The trouble with this approach, however, is that few athletes have the medical and/or financial resources necessary to monitor plasma norepinephrine on a regular basis. That being the case, what other - more convenient - tools could be used to assess the adequacy of recovery?

 

uhhh hasn't it been established that xylocaine is in fact NOT widely banned (like 4 states only..if that)? it was some bull**** article written by a poster here i think that started off the whole xylocaine is banned everywhere BUT nevada.
oh and hey it's the examiner rearing its ugly head again.

and uhhh...you do know xylocaine (better known is lidocaine) is a depressant right? shoot up xylocaine in enough doses to affect athletic performance (as you alluded to in your post) is actually detrimental to the boxer. the excitatory effect lasts a very a short time, if at all. but the depressant action can lead to blurry vision (really handy to have when you're boxing..lol), confusion, dizziness, respiratory depression (no wonder floyd never gets tired...lol)
it can also lead to bradycardia which in turn leads to cells/muscles not getting enough oxygenated blood. Hypotension is another side effect of the drug...this means the muscles are poorly perfused.

 

Xylocaine is also legal except for a week before the fight, in Nevada.

Good try though.

 

Any PED could do all those adverse effects if taken in gobs


Its fairly established that Xylocaine is banned even in Nevada (but ony biasly so) but fighters have been using it for years, even injecting it. . Xylococaine can have either depressant or stimulant reactions depending upon whether it contains adrenaline. IMO boxers wouldnt at all want the adrenaline type but rather its pure form that depresses adrenaline with only very small doses in people not regularly exposed to the drug.

 

Olympics are governed by WADA. WADA does not list lidocaine or Xylocaine as a banned substance. If the urine samples that the boxers are obliged to give afterwards were sent to a Wada-accredited laboratory, then lidocaine might not be tested for. Solution, Floyd wanted USADA to do the testing, samples will be sent to a WADA accredited site who doesn't test for Lidocaine. Problem solved. According to Oscar’s buddy Tygart."It's a common local anesthesia, and it's not prohibited," said Travis Tygart, chief executive of the USADA. "It's perfectly allowable to take under the World Anti-Doping Agency's program."


Why risk using a numbing agent that could damage hands a weak prior to a fight? They are gonna use it during the big money fights as did Oscar and so many other fighters. Plus Marc Ratner, of the NSAC told Oscar that Xylocaine is normally expelled out of the body very quickly, thus implying that he did not believe the urinalysis would be problematic. http://www.doghouseboxing.com/Garcia/Garcia091904.htm

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAIQBcpHpSs&feature=player_embedded[/ame] HBO's Jim Lampley: “Some fighters including Floyd had been known to inject numbing medicines into their hands JUST PRIOR TO A FIGHT, a measure that can give a boxer a short-lived but dangerous sense of confidence.”