Why did USADA stop blood testing Floyd & Shane 18 days prior to their fight?

SOURCE please on it being illegal in other states..i know it's illegal in like 7 states...but the majority here thinks its illegal EVERYWHERE except nevada

 

oh ya lets bump this since maracho glossed over it

 

It's illegal in like a handful of states.

Not 49 states like that one article suggest.

 

Yes your right, the commissions are corrupt but I already went into detail why Floyd wants the new protocols. Its because Tygart and GBP and AEG have to many conflicts of interests and that Tygart has publicly but biasly come to Floyd's defense and now USADA is working with Conte fighters.

Depressants are psychoactive drugs that temporarily reduce the function or activity of a specific part of the body or brain, A suppressant of adrenaline doesnt automatically make it into a depressant. In fact, I already proved to you with scientific studies that a this suppressing of adrenaline actually increases recovery, endurance and alertness.

 

Regardless wheteher it is illegal in 5 or 49, it is illegal elsewhere!

The irony of it is that different state sports commissions have different stand regarding injecting numbing solutions in boxing matches.

If it is illegal in some states, the question that should actually be raised is WHY was it illegal in those staes?

Did it give unfair advantage to a fighter using it? Which is the basic TENET of banning drugs or PEDS actually. Otherwise, you can wipe, smear, inject, swallow anything if it does not give yu an advantage, it is not illegal.

In amateur sports like the olympics, it is not illegal because the WADA list is basically a comprehensive list covering all areas of sports, from archery to Zoccer (mispelled intentionally). Lidocaine is acceptable in amateurs because athletes use them to numb pain, example an archer who has a sore elbow, or a basketball player who has an aching knee can have injection of pain numbing agent, plus steroids (this however has to have clearance with USADA). Since it is a comprehensive list, and not sport specific list, Lidocaine is never an issue. Personally, if it is boxing, it should be an issue!

 

So? And it's LEGAL elsewhere as well.

Okay?

Yes, and why is it legal in the most other states as well.

If something isn't illegal and a fighter uses it, go for it. Why should a fighter stop himself from using something totally legal?

Well. USADA doesn't consider it a big problem, for boxing for that matter. Neither does Nevada nor the other 40+ other states.

I just find it funny you say its illegal elsewhere as if that matters. I think it would matter more if it was 40+ states have it illegal and select few have it legal.

 

Xylocaine is not part of the standard panel of drugs to be tested simply because it is not economical to test it when only a specific small number of athletes gains advantage over their opposition - fighters with brittle hands. I highly doubt they test it in boxing matches.

Because of its rarity, I think it was never been properly addressed. Even if it was addressed, there is no standard tests designed for it because the drug testing companies model their lists of drugs on the WADA lists of prohibited drugs.

Just because prostitution is legal in most states in the US that it is right. Is it LEGAL? yes. is it right - No.The question is not whether it is legal (which is a judicial question) but also if it is morally right. Simply, if an event is not covered by law or allowed by law, it is legal. However, in the case of Lidocaine use in boxing, the Law did not catch up with it.

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that all boxing commissions declare use of Lidocaine as illegal tomorrow, would Gayweather be guilty? That is the aspect of Judicial or legality and the answer is he is not guilty. That is just to emphasize that LEGAL is a judicial issue.

Another note, injected intramuscular lidocaine has a very unpredictable half-life. The half-life you are stating, which I believe is 2-4 hours (not sure if it is correct) is based on intravenous Lidocaine.

Intramuscular lidocaine is affected by several factors that making an accurate half-life estimates is difficult.

 

Afterall the going around the circle, soemtimes misinformed debate, the simple question that is supposed to be answered by everybody is this :

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That is the question that is also asked when validating whether to consider a drug a PEDS.

Personally, he both gained and lost with it.

He gained because it allowed him to continue fighting despite having brittle hands. I don't think it made his punches stronger because punch strength is basically based on punch dynamics, like delivery, follow-through, etc.

However, it probably hastened his retirement. There are undisclosed sources that his initial retirement was due to his hands never really healing properly. But those are just undisclosed sources because I think he ducked the hot welterweights at that time by retiring.

 

If somethings legal. It's legal.

If they deemed it illegal in all states no one would be guilty unless they used it after it changed.

In basketball they changed the 3 point line from 22 feet to 23 and 9 inches.

Should they go back and change every shot that was inside that extra 1 foot 9 inches to 2 pointers because the rule was changed?

No.

 

That is the legal issue.

It is simply rules and regulations, laws and protocols. Sometimes those don't catch up with current events.

What is legal now might be illegal tomorrow and vice versa. But what is morally wrong will always be morally wrong.

Is Lidocaine legal - yes, but is it wrong - I think so.

 

That's your opinion.

And please don't go to the extreme on this (Im not saying you are right now but..)

Just cause you think its morally wrong, doesn't mean it is. Clearly the commissions dont see it as that big of a deal. It's not like Floyd cant punch as hard without it, it's more of, will he punch as hard without it.

 

As I have said, it was done not to increase his punch otherwise all boxers would be doing it, but rather for him to continue fighting despite having a brittle hands.

Did he actually gain advantage over his opponent? If you look at it from that angle, he did not.

However, the use of spirit of ammonia is illegal in boxing. If a fighter is knock-out and you use that to revive a fighter for him to continue fighting, it is illegal.

Spirit of Ammonia ---- Lidocaine. Both drugs, one is illegal while the other is not. Who can tell me the difference.

 

:good Thanks for the breath of fresh air and I wonder if Tygart and Cante are finally catching on to something I tied together about one year ago :bart



Nonito Donaire is Totally Drug Free & Proud of It By Steve Kim, MaxBoxing (Dec 4, 2010)
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273167
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syndrome," said Conte. "These markers can be used to help an athlete achieve an optimal balance between the training load and recovery intervals." Cante, who once made a four-year, career out of "helping athletes to circumvent" Olympic style drug testing policies such as those executed by United States Anti-Doping Agency "until BALCO was raided" in 2003, and he was imprisoned for a short time.

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[The United States Anti-Doping Agency] to develop more effective anti-doping policies and procedures,"


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Donaire doesnt need xylocaine though cause he uses [FONT=&quot]something more natural called the hypoxicator machine [/FONT]and high altitude training

 

I asked Kizer this

What about Lidocaine ( I know they are nearly the same) but you yourself
Mr Kizer, said that lidocaine is banned for use by boxers within a week
of a bout.

I know DLH was allowed to use Lidocaine for his Hopkins fight. Must
boxers request the permission to use it in case they have an injury or
something?

 

He replied with

Lidocaine would have to go through the same process.

DLH and Hopkins were both tested for Lidocaine and other banned substances for their 2004 bout and the tests were negative