Why did Vits not fight these top 10 fighters?

Nice Jab, predictable and stupid. I give facts, you give platitudes of "there is no heavyweight that fought more top ten fighters", and "I've already done the list " (which shows a similar number of missing fighters). Sorry, as I showed, there are a great number of top fighters that any ATG has not faced. Ring magazine is a dubious source to use. How about we use number of fights against undefeated fighters, Ali, Holmes, and Lennox were loath to face such fighters, Vitali has fought far more. Look, you can use any arbitrary designation you want, I can use some to make VK dominant over LL and Ali, you can use some vice versa, but the facts remain that VK has beaten more top 10 and top 20 fighters than all but maybe 10 HW's in history. He's beaten them much more convincingly than anyone else in history, and only dropped two fights, fewer than most who have beaten more than him, and both of which he was dominant in but lost by injury. For those reasons, he's got an incredibly strong resume, easily in the top 10 all time, I have him at 6. As far as not beating ATG's, Sanders and Peter and both in top 40, they would be higher if VK had been weaker, if say he'd lost and needed another match to beat them, which is how people like Schmeling, Frazier are ranked higher than Sanders and Peter. So VK is punished for his own dominance, by vile little imbecilic haters like you.

 

This and obviously the fact the guy can only fight 3-4 times a year, in order to be in peak condition and maximise earnings from the fights he does have.

 

Jab

Vitali did not fight Rahman because he was freakishly injured 4 times in 10 months. Either due to steroids or his glass body.

 

Oh vile imbecilic hater, there you go again. No, Jab, I gave facts and logic, you give mindless hatred inadequately propped up by a highly suspect publication. Ring is not a good judge of top 10's. They've had Boystov on there for years now and I have him at #30. As far as undefeated record coming from fighting nobodies, who's to judge, are we to take your sterling and unbiased word that they are only beating bums? No, undefeated record, so long as their wins include a sufficient number of victims with winning records, which it always was with VK's victims, is as valid a way of judging top fighters as any, certainly when they are regarded in the top 20 or 30 by consensus. There a good website that has an analysis of that, the K's fight fewer fighters with bad records and more fighters with demonstrably good records than anyone (except LL, in some permutations).

You talk about dealing with the "fact" (more on that below) that Ali beat more top 10's than anyone else. How about just dealing with the fact that only about 10 HW's have beaten as many top 10 or top 20 HW's as VK, who has dominated them (as far as rounds won and ko's, the two ways you measure dominance), more than any of those who have beaten more top fighters. And, as stated, his two losses were to people he was dominating that he lost on injury.

Also, its a nightmare going against a southpaw to a lot of heavyweights. Some fighters just won't face them, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, and most champs (besides the K's and Ali) being among them. So I guess MT and LL's accomplishments are suspect because they ducked top lefties? I can do this all day. The fact is you can warp a whole spectrum of facts or stats to put one fighter dominant over another, but ultimately, you need to look at dominance of generalized top opposition and the level and numbers of top opposition. When you do that, VK is indisputably in the top 10 all time.

Also, how is "Ali fought more top 10 than anyone" a fact? I'm not going to go through Ring, but I'd bet that Larry Holmes has the record on beating Ring top 10's, for what little that is worth. Are you really going to say LH is the GOAT?

Mindless hatefull troll, go back under your bridge.

 

:deal

 

Ever trained in your life? Once you get a serious injury, you are more likely to get injured again coming back from it unless you manage things just right. It has happened to countless world-class athletes.

 

It don't happen 4 times in 10 months. Stop lying. Vitali is a user. Nothing you say can change that. He's a cheat. Deal with it.

 

His fear of Rahman exacerbated the injuries, too. Steroid-fear, it's a killer.

 

Did you not read what I wrote? Getting a serious injury makes you more prone to getting other injuries until you manage to get back in peak condition. It frequently happens because you overexert yourself trying to do the things you were normally able to do, but now can't because muscles/tendons etc have weakened and need to be nursed back up. It can be really tough to manage. I've had annoying, niggling injuries to my knees and back that kept recurring over the course of a year and I've never even seen a PED. These injuries still bug me, but I've learnt to manage them. It's very likely the same deal for Vitali (only worse because he trained nearer to the limit than I've ever been).

 

I hope that answer's it.

 

So he averages one top 10 fighter a year then going by your reckoning. What would you say is the average across the board?

 

there ya go

 

Not meaning to nitpick, but assuming the numbers quoted are correct (7 Top Ten Contenders in 11 Years)...

That's significantly lower than 1 Top Ten fighter a year...

It's actually 0.636 which is significantly lower than one a year.

That's about 3 Top Ten Contenders in 5 years.

I don't know about you, but that seems pretty low. And anybody else facing such statistics, should also be (rightly) criticised regardless of what 'others' are doing.