Does entering a unification tournament with Thomas and agreeing to fight all the winners or getting sued trump a quote from three years earlier? Kinda. All they both had to do was win. Did Thomas win? No. He was the first one out.
Earnie Shavers was Larry's WBC #1 contender. Gerry Cooney was the WBC #1 and WBA #1 contender. They can't argue Holmes ducked his #1 contender Page and then say Gerry Cooney and Earnie Shavers weren't #1 contenders, too. Greg Page wasn't the #1 Ring contender in the spring of 1984.
Not really because I don't take what he says seriously. He writes out entire paragraphs and thinks hes winning a debate or making a point that way he isn't. He constantly gets exposed for changing his narrative to whichever agenda suits him in that particular thread. Hes been laughed at for being the biggest Wilder fan boy on the forum and exposed multiple times for his silly takes. He has knowledge on the sport and I'll give him credit for that but in actual debates like these hes not to be taken seriously.
In March 1985, Larry had beaten five of that Ring top 10 and spent a year negotiating with a sixth (Coetzee). How many on that Ring top 10 had Pinklon beaten to that point? One? David Bey had as many wins over that top 10 as Thomas and Greg Page did. And Bey beat Page. Page lost his title a month after Jeff Ryan wrote that to Tubbs, who isn't even on the list. Often, by the time a writer for a boxing magazine wrote an article saying Holmes should fight someone, and the article came out in print, which was often four months later, the guy they wrote the feature article about had already lost.
When you've got nothing left to say to make an argument on the topic ... and just turn it into another Wilder thread ... you lost. I'm Larry Holmes ... you're Scott Frank. Holmes tried to unify Coetzee for a year. Holmes entered the HBO tournament to unify. (And got robbed.) Holmes made 20 defenses. Most guys made one or none. Holmes is a hall of famer and an all-time great ... none of the others are. If all you've got in response to the facts about Holmes trying to unify is "you like Wilder" ... I actually do WIN. And you lose. Thanks for playing.
For me to lose something to you i'd actually have to take you seriously which i don't. I'm more like Lennox Lewis and you're like John Ruiz boring and not considered worth my time. You like rambling on typing paragraph after paragraph thinking you're winning something when in actual fact you make yourself look silly. Because you change your narrative depending on the topic or your agenda at that time and there's countless examples of you doing it. But you ignore it and stick your head in the sand because you've been exposed. Oh yeah and here's another whopper from you. "Fury and Usyk are fighting Saturday. Expect a beatdown like Garcia-Haney. The "clown" dominates again." I would say thanks for playing but i don't even take you seriously so i'll just say goodbye.
So your response to all these facts are ... you picked Fury over Usyk so it don't believe you? You like Wilder, so I don't believe you? I posted actual articles because you guys were spreading lies like Holmes got stripped. Did the writers of those articles "like Wilder" and pick "Fury over Usyk", too? Change the subject and run. Coward.
Q. Why didn't Holmes ever unify? A. Holmes spent a year trying to unify with Coetzee, the WBA champ. Q. Why did you post a bunch of articles about one fighter he tried to unify with? A. Because it's a thread asking why Holmes didn't unify. He did. Q. Why didn't Holmes try to unify with someone else? A. Holmes entered the HBO Unification tournament. In his first bout, he was robbed of the decision in the rematch with Michael Spinks. Had he been given the decision, the only two champs left in the tournament were two guys he already beat (WBC Champ Trevor Berbick and WBA champ Tim Witherspoon). And Witherspoon lost at the end of the year in one round to Bonecrusher Smith, who Holmes also already beat. Q. Why didn't Holmes unify against Pinklon Thomas? A. Holmes and Pinklon Thomas would've fought if both kept winning in the HBO tournament. But Thomas lost to Berbick in March 86, and Holmes got robbed against Spinks a month later. So neither had belts to unify. Q. Why did Holmes vacate the WBC belt instead of fighting Greg Page? A. Because he got more money in a signing bonus ($3 million) for agreeing to fight Coetzee than he would've defending against Page. And the WBC wouldn't allow him to unify with Coetzee even if he fought Page first, because Coetzee was South African. Q. Holmes ruined boxing by accepting the IBF belt trying to unify with Coetzee. A. That's not really a question. And all the top champs at the time - Michael Spinks, Marvin Hagler, Donald Curry, Aaron Pryor and Holmes - accepted the IBF belt. Q. A real champ defends his title. A. Larry Holmes made 20 title defenses. Q. You said you think a prime Deontay Wilder would've beat Larry Holmes ... here are links. A. Well, the link was a mythical matchup between Wilder at his best vs. Holmes in 1980. And Holmes' performances in 1980 weren't great. Holmes was also susceptible to right hands, which was prime Wilder's best punch. I also said in that thread I don't rate Wilder over Holmes, not even close. But that's not the topic of this thread. And it's not a question, either. Q. Here are links to threads where you said you liked Wilder? A. Why do you guys have Wilder on the brain? He's retired and has nothing to do with why Holmes didn't unify. It's almost like you're trying to change the subject. Q. You picked Fury over Usyk. A. What does that have to do with Holmes unifying? Larry Holmes is an all-time great. He's got FIVE TIMES as many successful title defenses than all the WBA champs and WBC champs who reigned at the same time as him COMBINED. And Larry's a Hall of Famer. The champs on the other side of the aisle while he reigned - Weaver, Dokes, Page, Coetzee, Thomas, Berbick, Tubbs, Tate and Witherspoon - are not. Larry Won. Getting your panties in a twist won't do anything about it.
My response is you're blocked because i consider you a joke you're not even worth engaging with. You can't even stick to one narrative from one thread to another and change it continuously you've been exposed in this thread already for it. And that's why you're considered a joke and no one takes you seriously. Not to mention you're embarrassing hero worshipping of Wilder that we've all had to endure for years with your embarrassing takes which have comeback to make you look like the fool that you are. Coward ? no more like i don't interact with clowns on the internet but keep rambling on my guy typing out long paragraphs that no one reads. Blocked good day to you.
I can't stick to a narrative? I'm talking about Holmes and unification and you say you didn't like my prediction for Fury-Usyk or that I was a fan of Wilder. What the hell does a prediction for a modern fight have to do with this topic? You can't counter anything I'm saying on the topic, so you bring up prediction threads. I'm not predicting anything. I'm telling you what happened and providing pages of source materials, because you guy were spreading lies that he got stripped. But you'd rather continue to lie than read what actually happened. How closed minded of you. And the excerpts of that Wilder thread John Thomas "wedged in" took stuff clearly out of context. I said Holmes was the greater fighter all time in that thread. But he didn't fight guys with the style of Wilder often, and 1980 wasn't a good performance year for Holmes.And explained why Wilder at his very best beats Holmes that year. None of which has anything to do with this. It was a fantasy thread. But when you guys can't counter facts in a historical thread, you change the topic to a couple of predictions of mine that didn't pan out ot grab bits here and there from fantasy matchups and try to do anything to change the focus. You can't argue facts with sources.so you change the topic and block me. You're a coward. Glad I don't have to deal with you anymore. Amateur.
From November of 1982 to September of 1985 ( a period of nearly three years, Larry Holmes fought - Randall Cobb - Lucien Rodriguez - 15 fight Tim Witherspoon - 10 fight Marvis Frazier - Scott Frank - 15 fight James smith - Carl Williams - Michael Spinks - 14 fight David Bey during this time there were about 3-4 more qualified fighters around whom he steered clear of and even dropped a belt to avoid one of them. He also arguably needed help from judges in 1 or 2 of those meetings. Pretty woeful
Name the three to four more qualified frighters from 1982 to 1985. You guys like to speak in vague generalizations. When I hype someone he fought, I always get the "there were better guys." Name four of them and what they all did to get a shot at Holmes, only to be denied.
