Why didn`t Wilder feint with his jab v Fury?

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder usually sets up his rights with a feinting jab but didn`t do it against Fury, why was that and would he have used it in a rematch? If Wilder feinted like Canelo does on this vid would he beat Fury?


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  2. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Sorry, but when have you ever seen Wilder throw feints? Specific examples if possible.
     
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  3. Furious

    Furious Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hahaha, I read the title and KNEW this would be a mark ant thread.. and sure enough..

    Your threads always read as a bit basic, and I don’t mean that to come across as offensive. Lots of things you ponder seem to be ‘if X did Y then this would happen’ ‘who punches hardest?’ - boxing has too many variables to simplify it like that. It seems that you see boxing like a video game with measurable attribute scores.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He knocked down Ortiz after probing with his lead hand ten coming in with the right, Ortiz was distracted by the jab.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    He didn't use it as much because of the different intentions of his opponents. He used the feint to make Ortiz lead so he could counter that wouldn't of worked vs Fury a feint would of seen Fury back up or slip instead, Fury being more defensively minded wouldn't of resulted in the same opportunities to counter for Wilder.

    Having said that it would still of benefited Wilder had he feinted. You don't just feint to draw a lead to counter you can feint people out of position, use the feint to make Fury back up without having to leave yourself open to be countered. Back him up enough with the feint and you'll have more opportunities with Fury's back to the ropes and that's when you unload.
     
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  6. Vykus

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    Wilder can throw a feint jab? We'll ill be. In addition to what Bomber said, Szpilka, Washington, Fury, Wilder struggles with non stationary targets. Wilder trying to either fient or establish a jab would be laughed off by someone of Fury's pedigree. Wilder simply doesnt have the skill set your speaking off at that level against opponents who move or dont have 40 year old legs.
     
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  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed, he's lacking in the skill and ring intelligence department. He's all offence, he only feints to set up an attack doesn't understand the importance of more nuanced skills.

    He should have never of tried jabbing with Fury, he was trying to establish his own jab but he's never going to out jab the longer reach of Fury. Instead he should of tried taking away Fury's lead hand. Fury throws the jab from below, it's possible to slap down a jab that comes up and come over the top of it. But instead he did what he usually tries to do and blind the opponent with the lead jab and then come behind it but you have to actually be landing the jab consistently to do that, which he wasn't.

    Compare Joshua's fight with Wlad where both were practically fencing with their lead hands trying to gain control of the others lead hands, Wilder just doesn't get the importance of this. Lewis tried to teach him how to use that extended shorter jab to control distance, but he never understood it's true importance and kept with his bog standard jab.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder landed well with the jab at times vs Fury and landed a few counter jabs which is why Fury wasn`t throwing a lot of shots he was wary of being hit with a counter jab, you need to use the jab to set up your power shots, he was missing all night throwing lead rights, the British commentary team said he should have jabbed to Fury`s chest.
     
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  9. Flamazide

    Flamazide Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder is just a bad boxer from a technical standpoint.
     
  10. hpsauce91

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    Fighters who throw feint jabs etc, are creating traps, reading the movement then they pounce once they no the openings.

    Wilders in ring iq isn't the greatest
     
  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This. Wilder is an extremely stubborn person. Breland kept telling Wilder to do it, but Wilder kept head hunting and throwing away rounds. In the 12th round when Wilder finally listened, since his way wasn't working he was able to stop Fury in his tracks and get a clean knockdown, but it was a little too late to matter.
     
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  12. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This 100%. The best way to stop a mover in his tracks is to tag the chest with the jab and follow it up with the right hand-left hook, which Joe Louis crushed a lot of opponents with.
     
  13. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    he doesn't know what a feint is, and the times he's done it in the ring has been accidental.