Why didnt Calzaghe renew his visa when Tarver, Pavlik came onto the scene?

really dog, really? your still wondering about this....

 

:-(

 

Calzaghe didnt need to fight anyone, he can do what ever he wants he is a grown ass man. He chose to retire, he had a good career fair play to him.

But as for you saying:-

Calzaghe dont need to fight that somebody since Calzaghe already slapped some other opponent who beat that somebody is a flawed and ***** fanboy logic.

Let me break it down for you.

Here is what you said:-

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http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13217012&postcount=22

So because Calzaghe beat Hopkins who beat Tarver, Calzaghe automatically beats Tarver?

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So because Calzaghe beat a shot Roy Jones Jr off his roids in 2008, and Prime Roid Jones beat Prime James Toney back in 1996. Joe Calzaghe automatically beats James Toney?

And then you went on to say some more bull**** about how Calzaghe dont need to fight no one because Calzaghe holds wins over people that beat eri baadi else:-

Which is complete bull****. So what if Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler, Hearns and Duran go back to Bernard Hopkins, that dont mean BHop would beat the fab 4.
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Mosley > Mayorga > Forrest > Mosley > Margarito > Cotto > Mosley > Margarito > Cotto > Quintana > Williams > Wright > Mosley > Vargas > Castillejo > Sturm > (ROBBERY) Hoya > (ROBBERY) > Mosley > Mayorga > Forrest > Mora > Forrest > Mora = Mosley

That above is irrefutable, and complete shits on your logic that Calzaghe dont need to fight people because fighter A beat Fighter B who beat Fighter C so therefore Fighter A beats Fighter C

The Triangle theory is a refuted heretic ideology invented by fanboys, and deluded ignorant fans who dont know **** abaat baaxin. And you are a knowledagable grown ass blue collar working man who has implemented such baseless theories into your arguement is not the right way to go. So I just simply corrected your bull****. Thank You.

 

Calzaghe lacked the pulling power for the vast majority of his career. He was a champion for almost 11 years running, before 2006 his top 2 biggest fights was:-

Shot Semi Retired Weight Drained and Attention seeking

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. Tough gypsy coming of loses and going onto loses

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And Calzaghe wanted to fight the best as he claimed but for some reasons, maybe Warrren, maybe Calzaghe or maybe the proposed opponent was scared of the risk and low reward of the match ups. Or maybe because Calzaghe was regarded as a hometown fighter who had a history of dodgy referee intervening during a slappage.

I have no problem with you justifying the RJJ fight. My opinion of that is Calzaghe wanted to cash out on a big payday. Have a low risk high reward sort of fight, it was a smart business decision by the welsh man.

However, as a boxing fan, and a fan of the pugilism the square circle chess play and the bloodsport. I would rather have seen:-

Calzaghe vs Chad Dawson/Pascal/Pavlik/BHop II/ Froch/ Bute.........

As these fighters were more evenly matched, and these fighters had more threat than a past prime, Shot, and off his medication Roid Jones Jr.

When Calzaghe became a career high P4P #3 - 5 ranked fighter, and finally got the drawing power he lacked in the earlier part of his career. Calzaghe cashed out.
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All those listed call outs was to show opponents were there for Calzaghe throughout his career, I never said Calzaghe ducked them, I never said those opponents ducked Calzaghe.

However since you took so much time writing up justifications for your main man Joe SlapZaghe, it would be disrespectful of me to just stop it here, and out of pure boredom, I would converse in such topic:-

Who gives a ****, my point is Echols called out Calzaghe and for some reason the fight never got made.

And it was a strange trend, a top 10 ranked fighter calls out Calzaghe, and then Joe somehow doesnt get in the ring with that top 10 ranked fighter but instead gets stuck with:-

Tocker Pudwill, Rick Thornberry, Brankco Sobot, Mario Veit, or whoever the else is on that boxrec.

yea yea yea. Calzaghe dont need to fight anyone because Calzaghe fought someone better or Calzaghe already beat someone who beat that somebody.

**** that logic as already explained to you. The way boxing works, it is understandable when big fights, or top fights are not made, politics just work in that way. Why Calzaghe didnt fight Ottke, both thought they were too good for one another.

Firstly lets establish some key facts. I followed Froch for a fairly long time as he was more of my era, similar to how Calzaghe Eubank is more of your era.

Froch was chasing Calzaghe since he was a young buck. Froch wanted Calzaghe badly, since Calzaghe was the man and Froch was the challenger. Once Froch became the WBC Mandatory he felt it was his time and the fight was on. However, Calzaghe vacated the WBC title and Froch moved on, while Froch went for other options so did Calzaghe.

Here is a quote from the same Metro newspaper link you posted:-

"Joe Calzaghe vacated the WBC title rather than fight me. He's been offered good money - he's been offered £5 million and the fight is genuine."

Froch said Calzaghe has been offered 5 million for a fight, but since Calzaghe was not wanting to risk against The Cobra, Froch thought **** Calzaghe.

those other links didnt work. But you know Froch wanted to **** Calzaghe up since he was a novice. For you to say Froch is not interested in Calzaghe either you have misunderstood it to be when Froch became the champ and realised Calzaghe doesnt want it.

Froch never ducked any fighter.

Dont mean much. Marciano would say Ali would beat him. Ali would say Marciaono would beat him. Tyson would say Ali would beat him. Ali would say Tyson would beat him. Benn would say Calzaghe would beat him.

All this stuff doesnt reflect the fighter instinct.

I have seen that video, I have seen Froch say he would "smoke his boots" when Froch was commonwealth level fighter. Either way. I think Froch would have given Calzaghe more trouble than a faded Roy Jones and a 42 year old BHop.

Didnt read to be honest. Honesty is the best policy.

Either way, Calzaghe vs Hopkins II was a possible fight to be made. It could of been Calzaghe's 46th or even his 50th fight. Calzaghe never wanted it. Deal with it.

Things happen. Calzaghe and Johnson were scheduled and Calzaghe pull out due to injury. Johnsona and Sheika have a box off and Johnson doesnt perform. Fight gets lost forever.

Johnson would have been dangerous as he has a iron chin and heart. You cant deny that. I dont think Calzaghe was scared, but he knew it was a risk every time he stepped into the square circle.

Thats what made this guy dangerous, he had decent power and he keeps on going even at advance age. He is a warrior and would have given Calzaghe something to think about. I think Calzaghe would have boxed him to a decision, but Johnson is no pushover.

**** the ring mag.

Agree it is more reaching. I think Tarver would be able to hold his own during a close encountering slappage. Tarver seems to cover up when he is under heavy pressure. However, had Calzaghe lurked around the LHW scene a little longer, a Tarver fight, a decent money fight I might add, would have propped up.

That dont say nothing. Dawson is a BIG LHW, and would have pushed Calzaghe. Also Dawson was a young LHW undefeated lion at the time. I think Dawson would be too much for Calzaghe.

Calzaghe himself never slagged off Dawson and did appreciate the kid got skills.

Dawson also beat Hopkins far more convincingly than Calzaghe did. The only problem with Dawson....... He dont have PPV drawing power. But Calzaghe did especially in 2009.

Calzaghe vs RJJ was the bigger fight, PPV wise. However, Hopkins vs Pavlik was the tougher match up.

Hopkins took a bigger risk fighting a young undefeated lion than Calzaghe did fighting a shot off his medication RJJ.

Also, Hopkins schooling of Pavlik showed a different Hopkins to his previous fight.

Calzaghe getting floored in the first round against a shot off his medication Jones showed the same Calzaghe as the previous fight.

 

Well, it looks like Soulja has been worried about me to be doing these posts

 

Please elaborate.

Who said you can fight everybody?

But Calzaghe COULD have fought a young hungry lion in Chad Dawson, or a rematch with BHop in Cardiff. These were possible, but Calzaghe had other plans which were to sniff cocaine, sit back and dance on BBC tv. Im just dropping straight hard facts son.

Look, just because I disproved and annihilated your usage of the triangle theory by using concrete evidence backed up by Boxrec knowledge no point making a twat of yourself.

Here is the irrefutable concrete hard hitting fact that I used that still is untouchable and will probably remain untouchable:-

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> Mayorga > Forrest >

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> Margarito > Cotto >

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> Margarito > Cotto > Quintana > Williams > Wright >

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> Vargas > Castillejo > Sturm > (ROBBERY) Hoya > (ROBBERY) >

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> Mayorga > Forrest > Mora > Forrest > Mora =

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There is no point crying since your triangle theory got dismantled with sheer poetic genius tactical maneuvers.

Here is what you said, in Chronological order.

The thread title says. Why didnt Calzaghe renew.....to fight Tarver. Let me put Tarver in bold letters highlighted letters for you to grasp it quicker,

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To why Calzaghe never fought

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you replied.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13217012&postcount=22

So to summarize your answer, you say Calzaghe never fought Tarver because Calzaghe beat Hopkins who beat Tarver.

And then I clearly, 120 - 108'd your use of the triangle theory and now you mad.
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Bailey claims no one mentioned James Toney's name Bailey made this claim on Saturday morning UK time of 0117.

But Bailey mentioned James Toney himself.

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So you finally agree, after being handed a solid and embarressing pwnage by the realsoulja that, Calzaghe vs Dawson was a legit match up. And just because Dawson beat Hopkins who got beat by Calzaghe, that dont mean ****, hence your use of triangular theorems didnt work out?

 

Is it.

Nah it aint possible, its certain.

Calzaghe didnt have the pulling power for the vast majority of his reign. There was a world champion in Wales that no one gave a **** about. Thats the truth man.

And it aint like it is only Calzaghe who had this problem, this is a problem pretty much all good fighters face, they start dismissing the fighter so they can duck them.

But once they do something BIG, they can use the pulling power to get the BIG fights.

Here is an example, since you used Bernard Hopkins.

Hopkins was also dismissed and seen as a below average champion. Hopkins goes in to back to back unification fights with Holmes and Felix Trinidad.....BOOOM.......Now Hopkins got some pulling power and calls out Roy Jones Jr, and eventually gets a fight with Oscar De La Hoya hence a BIG payday. Hopkins Pulling power became so much, he told Calzaghe to double the the price and still refused to fight him.

Now for Calzaghe, Calzaghe goes and beats two LHW veterans in BHop and RJJ, all of a sudden, the whole of USA knows who Calzaghe is 11 years after he won the WBO title. What does Calzaghe do once he got the pulling power.........BOOM.....sniff cocaine and retire. Also go dancing.

Is it?

I said pre 2006. Reid IMO was better than Byron Mitchell.

Eubank wasnt semi shot, he wasnt 100% shot, he was getting to shot level. His weight draining is well documented, as he had two week notice that he had to cut down 7 extra pounds because of change of opponent and change of division. Aswell as Eubanks semi retiredness, also Eubank fighting his 2 fights pre Calzaghe and 2 fights post Calzaghe 2 divisions north of the SMW limit. I think I have schooled you on this before.

Who gives a toss, Reid lost to Sugar boi Malinga and then goes on to lose some other fights around the Calzaghe fight.

Is it?

Is it

Im going to school you on why Triangle theorys dont always work in boxing.

Is it

Lets end this with a simple question.

What is the better win. Hopkins UD12 Pavlik or Calzaghe UD12 Roy Jones Jr?

After mentioning BHop II and Froch, you decided to talk only about Bute.

BHop wanted a Calzaghe rematch, Calzaghe never wanted it. Is it?
Froch wanted a Calzaghe fight, Calzaghe never wanted it.

Basically, if you think a shot Roy Jones Jr off his medication is a bigger threat than a young hungry undefeated Lion Chad Dawson. Then, You dont know **** about baaxin.

 

Talks for Calzaghe-Pavlik started, but came to a halt after Pavlik's destruction of Gary Lockett, who was also trained by Calzaghe's father

http://www.***********.com/joe-calzaghe-turns-down-kelly-pavlik-picks-roy-jones-jr--14441

Calzaghe then decided to fight a washed up Jones claiming that Pavlik had turned him down twice in the past

http://www.***********.com/calzaghe-claims-kelly-pavlik-turned-me-down-twice--15422

Arum:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BAD+CALL%3A+CALZAGHE+AVOIDS+PAVLIK.-a0181460032

 

:roflatsch

Do you really think that baldy plodder would have been able to touch Zaggers? You must be on some serious narcotics, either that or that 10 inch swinger which dangles from your forehead has hynotised you to such an extent that you have lost touch with reality.dead

And what in the name of Dickens does "taylor made" mean? :rofl

You are yet another illiterate American bumsteak whose opinion is laughable at best. :verysad:barf

 

I honestly believe Calzaghe got caught up in the Pavlik hype and knowing his career was coming to an end he didn't want to risk his 0 vs a young supposedly hard hitter like Pavlik and he resented the fact people thought he retired so he could duck Pavlik but all that talk ended once Hopkins son'd Pavlik.

 

you are once again confusing the facts with your opinion, Bailey. I dont blame you for doing so, its a feature of your writing style. Hence with your 'SuperVeit' arguments.

But just to clarify in case you dont see what everyone elses does - it is only your opinion that a prime young man beating up a near 50 year old is a really great win. The facts dont support your view. Most people would see it as an act of cowardice.

Its probably not a good idea to accuse the OP of selfpwning when ironically you are one committing that act.

 

There really are some clowns here.. "Pavlik beats Calzaghe"? What? Is this a joke?

Calzaghe would box circles around Pavlik and leave his face a bloody mess..