Why didnt Goldstein stop Griffith/Paret earlier?

the story i hear is that cuban fighters seemed to put themselves into corners or on the ropes and then when the fighter swarms forward for the finish then turn the aggressive fighter around and then get a tko.
not sure if it's documented or a myth. cant remember of any examples.

but yeah he thought he was ok, also this is emile griffith not the hardest puncher and griffith was nearly out at one point early in the fight. and example why giving the guy the benefit of the doubt isn't a good idea. also to add that he was burning out at the time in his career. also the fulmer fight was an example of him losing his resistance....to a hard puncher, a division up of course but still it shows his resistance might of been going.


think goldstien should of stopped i sooner but i have seen much worse stoppages

whats the most scariest thing is that it was an accident. there seems to be a idea that boxers cant die or get hurt from few well placed shots it was always something that makes it dangerous. half an hour of your head getting played like a conga can do no favors anywhere.

 

It must be remembered that Benny Paret recieved a bad beating from the stronger Gene Fullmer prior to the Griffith fight...Damage was done to
Paret,that was not detected...
I also remember at the Concord Hotel where Emile Griffith was training for the Paret fight, Emile told a small group of us, that Paret called him a fairy
in Spanish, and he Griffith, will"keel" Paret in their fight next week..
Little did Emile know his word would be!...I believe it was the ko Paret recieved at the hands of Gene Fullmer in 1961 ,prior to the Griffith fight
that caused the tragedy....

 

As far as I'm concerned, Ingo-Patterson I is required viewing for evaluating Goldstein as a referee with respect to Griffith-Paret III.

I think Goldstein was stunned into paralysis by the abrupt offensive explosion Griffith erupted into when following up on that first damaging blow. There will never be any way to know this for certain, but my personal suspicion is that the first punch may have been the fatal one.

He should have stopped Ingo-Patterson I immediately after Floyd got up from that first knockdown and started walking away. Patterson could have gotten killed by that second knockdown cheap shot, yet Goldstein was allowed to continue as a referee following that debacle. Arthur Donovan stopped Baer-Schmeling the moment the German turned his back. Lou Magnolia did likewise when Loughran turned his back on Sharkey following a single knockdown. Once a downed boxer gets up from a knockdown and turns away without defending himself, that should be it.

Goldstein wasn't even able to get through ten rounds of SRR-Maxim, and this referee was a former top fighter. Compared to George Siler, the man was an utter wimp.

 

That beating from Fullmer is one of my strongest fight memories. Really a hammering.

 

Still sickened by the memory of Paret tangled in the ropes -- slumped, clearly unconscious -- being battered for what seemed an eternity just a few feet from me in the Garden. My first thought (though I didn't wanna say it aloud) was: I've just seen a man beaten to death. How in God's name did Goldstein -- a fighter himself -- not leap in immediately?

 

I believe it was the late Bob Waters of Newsday who wrote a haunting article after Scypion-Classen, titled, "18 Years Between Shouts," chronicling the harrowing parallels he experienced in yelling along with others at ringside to "Stop the fight!" He wrote that prior to Classen, Paret was the last time he had made this plea. By that reckoning, he deduced that he had probably shouted his last such shout. (Waters died of cancer at 66 in 1987.)

 

The surreal thing was, D, like all in the Garden that night -- moments before drinking beer 'n laughing -- we instantly became eyewitnesses to a death. We knew in our hearts there was no way Paret could survive that onslaught.

 

I have heard some people try to use the "different angle" excuse and stuff but I think it was counted I believe, they say Paret took "18" defenseless punches while in the corner that is just WAY to many punches. JG,you were actually at the fight???

 

i have seeone prominent fight similar to the Paret tragedy where the victim survived.
July 12,1948 ,in Philly, where Beau Jack was trapped against the ropes, his arms behind him seemingly entwined in the ropes,helpless ,with the muderous prime Ike Williams hitting Jack with everything in the books.Ike ,stopped punching looked at the ref and
told him "please stop the fight, I don't wanna hiut him no more", but the "brave" ref
let it continue again, with all of us screaming for the ref to stop the slaughter, which
the referee soon did...Beau Jack survived, poor Benny Paret didn't...

 

Exactly my thoughts when i read the question.

 

Yes, C. It's seared in my brain -- just as vivid today.

 

Griffith-Paret was obviously a tragically late stoppage but it wasn't the most prolonged of its kind I have seen. It happened relatively fast. I've seen others like it. Johansson-Machen wasn't much better.
I think the Ike Williams-Beau Jack stoppage is even less explicable on the referee's part, to the point where Williams possibly saved Jack by halting his attack and pulling some of his shots.

Goldstein's handling of a completely senseless Patterson after the first knockdown in the first Ingo fight was horrendous. I think one writer has likened Ingo's follow-up to someone smashing a bottle over an innocent bystander's head. Patterson didn't have a clue where he was :

8:15 - 8:30

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReNxJnrvig4[/ame]

 

Paret was tough as nails, so it's understandable that he let the beating go on a little long, but by about the 15th or so unanswered punch you would've thought that he would step in.

Goldstein wasn't a referee who always let the fights go on either, some of his stoppages were on point, some were terribly late such as the Griffith-Paret and Patterson-Johansson fight.

 

JG, i'm just curious as I stated before I've heard some people try to defend this fight saying maybe a bad angle but I would have to imagine that even the people setting the furthest back could see something was wrong around the 10th punch.Was everybody's reaction in the crowd the same???