Why didn't Haye fight Cunningham for cruiserweight undisputed?

yes Joshua was so reluctant to fight him that hearn offered him a paltry $5-$8 million which Ortiz turned down.
https://www.*******.com/articles/ortiz-trainer-angered-over-promoters-handling-joshua-talks

Ruiz was so reluctant to face him even though he actually did face him and beat him.

 

One note is that they could make this fight today. Haye was teasing a comeback as late as last year, and I am sure Cunningham wouldn't mind a winnable payday. Make it a four-rounder if they are too old for ten. I'd watch.

 

Are u joking ? Ortiz was old as dinosaur crap and still managed to make it razor close. Ourside of the knockdowns Ortiz was actually outboxing fat Andy. An Ortiz 5 years younger would probably smoke Ruiz like Sunday barbecue

 

UD

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/box...results-highlights/1dvjn95w8lcxu1x2b9oiv9x2tj

 

Three knockdowns against a 50 year old Ortiz with the cards being 113-112, 114-111 lol. Getting outboxed in damn near every round he didn't score a knockdown. Ruiz does not beat prime Ortiz, he barely beat the senile version

 

UD 12

Your outcome in your fantasy version of the fight is irrelevant.

 

Against an ancient 50 year old Ortiz which he dropped 5 or 6 rounds on the judges cards LOL. It's like saying joshua beat a 41 year old Klitschko therfor he beats prime Klitschko despite struggling and getting dropped. It's like claiming that Chisora beat a shot 44 yr old Pulev therfor he beats prime Pulev.......wait a minute, no he doesn't. We know for a fact Chisora does not beat a prime Pulev. Ruiz should not be struggling with a significantly declined Ortiz if he is better than the prime version


it's abhorrent logic.

 

Abhorrent logic is taking a known fight outcome and then for absolutely no reason taking away scoring knockdowns gained by one fighter and then saying the other fighter would have won.

It would be like me taking random rounds away from Ortiz and saying Ruiz would have won even easier if he had won more rounds. It’s nonsense

 

“Ourside of the knockdowns Ortiz was actually outboxing fat Andy”

“Against an ancient 50 year old Ortiz which he dropped 5 or 6 rounds on the judges cards LOL”

Which is it? Was Ortiz outboxing fat Andy or did he only win 5-6 rounds?

 

He was outboxing fat Andy for most of the fight, he outlanded Ruiz in almost every round he didn't get dropped in which was 2 and 7. Compubox supports my claim. Ortiz outlanded him in 6 rounds, Ruiz winning 3 outside of the KDs. Ruiz got severally outjabbed the whole fight and barely outlanded him in power punches which doesn't tell much about round by round.

https://photo.*******.com/uploads/ruiz-ortiz-compubox-punch-stats_1662358717.webp

I expect nothing better from aj fans who couldn't care less about the asterisk of aging fighters. Luis Ortiz was officially 43, likely older. Lets see how your favorite fighters operate at 43. Ortiz was so old Martin dropped him with a jab because he has no legs anymore, but Ruiz couldn't even knock him out and got schooled in the final round.


Prime Ortiz > prime Ruiz. Ruiz struggled with a 43 year old Ortiz. I couldn't care less about him barely winning, it means nothing prime for prime. It's like saying Mercer beats prime Witherspoon, it is nonesense given how close it was when Witherspoon was 38

 

No amount of revisionism from yourself by bizarrely not counting knockdowns in a fight can take away from the result.
UD
3 knockdowns
Easy work

 

Bizarrely you wont consider Luis Ortiz was middle aged, severely declined, had no more legs and the fight was still very close with 1 113-112 card. Of course you won't, you're an aj fan. Ortiz was older than Povetkin when he got smashed by Whyte. He was FOURTY THREE

 

Mormeck was a big name at Cruiserweight at the time. He headlined on Showtime couple times in U.S, while I don't think Steve even made it to U.S "network" television, fighting mostly on Don King undercards and then having 2 title fights abroad. When He later fought Adamek on Versus, He was the B-side in the United States, which is why the fight took place in Newark.
I suspect Haye got paid pretty well to fight Mormeck in France. Fighting Cunningham at home would probably be just like any regular title defence, commercially... so pretty typical case of high risk, low reward.

That's not an excuse by the way, just an explanation. I was - and still am - a Cunningham fan and see him as one of the most accomplished Cruiserweights of the last 25 years.
Saying that - Mormeck was very good as well. Wlodarczyk certainly wasn't better than him. I don't think Huck was either. Jones maybe, but He had a strange career at that weight, being caught on PEDs in two of his biggest fights - so I'm not sure how good He was "clean".