Why didn't Jack Dempsey ever fight a black fighter again after John Lester Johnson?

Sammy Davis Jr. interlude


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Why didn't Cassius Clay ever fight a good black fighter during his 'first reign'.

The 'Average White Band'
George Chuvalo
Brian London
Henry Cooper
Karl Mildenberger
Floyd Patterson

The 'Old Men'
Sonny Liston
Zora Folley

'The 'Wounded Warrior'
Cleveland Williams

'The Gangling Stiff'
Ernie Terrell

 

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Terrell was the number one contender everywhere you looked, he was also the WBA Champion.

Who did Ali avoid in your opinion?

 

The easy answer is the Vietcong.

 

Mucho Bueno.......:good

And don't forget the NVA regulars -

NVA Colonel Diem-Vihn Han the 6' 3" 220 lb. 'Hanoi Hammer' would have kicked
Cassius Clay's "ass" anywhere in the North and along the Mekong River Delta.

Colonel Han, a southpaw, had the fastest hands in Southeast Asia.
They called his right hand, the AK-47........ 'rat-a-tat-tat'.

 

Ask the same of the great Joe Louis, you could count on one hand with some to spare of black heavyweights Louis fought before he fought Walcott. I could only count 2 before Walcott. I guess Dempsey wasn't the only one ducking black fighters.

 

Incorrect though, he ,"had no quarrel with them Viet Cong".

He avoided this old white guy .

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And he was right to do so.
So did this guy below,difference being Ali was prepared to go to prison for his belief.

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I didn't make any judgments. Its clear from the record Ali ducked the Vietcong.

 

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and his promoter Tex Rickard didn't want to risk his cash cow against dangerous opposition.

 

By roughly checking the best black contenders records (Turkey Thompson, Lee Q. Murray, Lem Franklin, Curtis Sheppard, Jimmy Bivins, Elmer Ray, JJW...) and their rankings from 37 to 42, what I see is they seemed to either had a weak claim for a title fight (spotty careers during that period, for having victories over low ranked fighters, or for having a good number of fights in other weight divisions) or to have lost a few key fights that diminished their record before Louis's (against opponents that Louis had already beaten like Bob Pastor or Abe Simon). I'm not saying Louis definitely didn't avoid black fighters, I'm just saying that, at least during his actual reign as champion, the best black contenders didn't seem to have the best claim for a title shot. You could make a case for Lem Franklin in '41, I guess, but besides that...

 

Are you saying WYL that the black contenders you list above Thompson, Lee Q Murray, Lem Franklin, Harry Bobo, though not "listed No.1" were not
BETTER than the likes of Steve Ketchel ,Harry Thomas,Jack Roper, Johnny Paycheck, Al McCoy, Gus Dorazio , members of Louis's Bum of the Month Club ? Anyone of the black contenders above who Louis never gave a "money" shot would have flattened The white boxers who Louis's brain trust picked Joe to feast on...That is a fact...The reward for Louis wasn't worth the risk, for sure, but Louis who FEARED NO ONE, somehow never gave them a bout, but is NEVER criticized for this discretion...But Dempsey
get's the shaft,for signing a contract with one black contender Harry Wills
which never occured because of the promoter, couldn't come up with the dough...Forget about sam Langford and Sam McVea from 1920-23 as both ofthese once worthy fighters wer pushing 40 years old...So, why the double standard pushed by a few Dempsey haters only on ESB.? YES, YES, Harry Wills DESERVED a shot at the title 1920-23 as Wills was 31-34 years old at the time, and TRULY was the ONLY VIABLE black opponent from 1920-23,
but so DID a Turkey Thomas, A Lee Q Murray, A Lem Franklin, A Harry Bobo
A Curtis Sheppard ,all powerful punchers DESERVE a money shot at the crown of Joe Louis, over less worthy and less DANGEROUS white bum of the month opponents...Fair is fair I say...Cheers...Let Dempsey rest in peace for gosh sakes...

 

As I said 'claim'. Never questioned their ability or their worth. They were matched tougher & under worse circumstances hence the 'dirtier' record. I was offering an explanation, not a justification. By worth they deserved the shot just like Wills deserved it against Dempsey or Jeanette, McVey & Langford deserved against JJ or Jack Blackburn deserved against Joe Gans or Bat Nelson. But that's not how the game was played. And I'm not gonna kick Louis for cherry picking during his reign just cause people do the same to Dempsey and JJ. Legacy wise everybody is a glass jaw (seems specially true in the HW division). Every fighter has some point of controversy you could pick to diminish his legacy. And, no offense man, but you're awfully touchy about Dempsey. First of all he's dead, you can't possibly 'rest' any more than that. But if you really believe in ghosts, spirits and stuff, you can relax, I'm sure the most popular fighter of his day, wherever he is, will not be kicking himself over a bunch of boxing cheerleaders (that's us) bitching about who's suga daddy is the GOAT. In fact, a badass like JD would probably kick your ass if he knew you were moaning about what meany things people are saying about him in the freakin' internet. What I mean is, we're all just talking here.
You let him rest. Cheers.

 

So what you are saying to me , " I am touchy about Jack Dempsey " cause he is dead, but the ESB posters who NEVER rest tearing his legacy down
should have free reign to besmirch Jack Dempsey, but I cannot defend what I PERCEIVE in my soul is a distortion of the truth, CANNOT defend him on ESB ? Sir, you got the wong poster...Yes Dempsey is DEAD, but the truth is always eternal...I'll DEFEND what I think is true sir, whether you like it or not, or whether a fighter is dead or not.. Good day sir...