Why didn't Lewis face Ruiz and Byrd?

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  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis didn’t face many lefties and none that were good, Byrd was a tricky customer. Too much risk not enough reward for Lewis. He should have fought him.

    Byrd whatever is said about him had tons of heart and skill. It’s quite impressive that someone that campaigned at middleweight would go on to fight Wlad 2x, Vitali, Ibeabuchi, Tua, Holyfield, Mccline, Golota. Says a lot about the spirit of Byrd.
     
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  2. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rahman and Ruiz are hardly debatable as both were in their prime and demonstrated they were clearly better than Grant. Rahman beat Lewis, Sanders, and Barrett, should have got the decision vs Toney. Ruiz beat Oquendo, Holyfield, Johnson, Golota. Many had him beating Valuev as well
    Both guys have better wins than Grant and their losses are less embarrassing. McCall subsequently kayoed Akinwande which is still a better win than anything Grant has.

    At the time it may not have been apparent these guys were better than Grant but clearly with the benefit of hindsight they turned out to be better than him. Clearly people at the time overrated Grant.
     
  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Byrd is vaguely impressive, only when his limited achievements are viewed in light of his size.

    Byrd being a Southpaw is no equalizer in the face of much bigger and skilled Heavyweights. The Lewis jab would have found its target as easily as Wlad's did, with graver consequences.
     
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  4. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    10 pages and counting, yet imo the question posed in the thread title was adequately addressed in this, the second post of the thread.

    Jeffries ducked Johnson. Dempsey ducked Wills. Armstrong ducked Burley. Bowe ducked Lewis. A champion failing to defend against the clear #1 contender can be, and often is, justly categorised as a duck.

    At the end of his career belts meant little to Lewis, he wanted the highest profile, biggest fights for the most substantial purses. Kirk Johnson didn't represent such a fight, but there were likely multiple reasons Lewis signed to fight him rather than Byrd and various other contenders that didn't capture the publics imagination, ducking and/or fear of losing will not have been amongst them.
     
  5. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Because Chris Byrd gave Lennox Lewis, the Bird. Ha Ha.
     
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  6. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We know for a fact that Grant was overhyped and almost certainly not a top 10 heavyweight and that beating him was no big accomplishment on the part of Lewis.

    Clearly this is not a big win if we are being objective. We don't get to pretend that Grant was some major threat when the evidence just isn't there. Ring magazine has screwed up on plenty of rankings and Grant is among many guys who have been overhyped.

    If people actually disagree with me they would be trying to make a case for Grant beating Rahman, Tua, Tyson etc but nobody is even attempting to do that which tells me they don't actually believe Grant beats these guys.
     
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  7. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    IMHO - there was no real reason and no challenge.
    Lewis defeated Tua, who destroyed Ruiz.
    Lewis destroyed Golota, who also defeated Byrd.
     
  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Actually, I believe Don King gave Lewis $1 million and a car to step aside and vacate the IBF.
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    The simplest of points continually fly clean over your head.

    No Neck clearly mentioned "hindsight" to you and here you are still fixating from that angle 100%. Hindsight has nothing to do with what sort of threat Grant was considered at the time Lewis fought him.

    At the time, which is what actually matters, Grant was rated the third best heavyweight in the world.
     
  10. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yeah, that's a strange take for sure.

    Ruiz at the time was best known for getting blasted in 19 seconds by David Tua, and the WBA move to strip Lennox was outright shady. Especially when the vacant bout was between Holyfield (a man Lewis had just beaten, twice in the eyes of many) and Ruiz (who was widely viewed as an undeserving joke) made it more cringeworthy.

    Grant was widely viewed as the biggest challenge out there for Lennox, an undefeated guy coming off a career victory where he overcame adversity and showed tremendous heart.

    Lennox was applaued for taking on Grant at that time.


    https://www.recordonline.com/story/news/2000/04/03/lewis-grant-fight-promised-classic/51194707007/

    "Credit Lewis, the division's first undisputed champ since Riddick Bowe in 1992, for seeking out tough challengers. He could've easily taken the low road and a low-risk payday against WBA mandatory contender John Ruiz. Instead, he chose the fighter many feel carries the division's future in his fists."
     
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Aaaand there it is!!! Exactly Rummy.
     
  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When you're, as in Byrd's case, the mandatory and also objectively has the best case for nr. 1 contender (which The Ring probably had him as at that time), there's always a good reason. And we have seen many times that the "A beat B who beat C, so A easily beats C" isn't a given at all.

    Ruiz did not really have a case at the time, though. Lewis can't be blamed for that one imo.
     
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  13. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    I simply think that the more spectacular end to Lewis' career is that he: got revenge on Rahman, beat Tyson and beat Vitali.
    Than: got revenge on Rahman, beat Byrd and beat Vitali.
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Speculating on H2H match ups is irrelevant though and has no substance in regards to Michael Grants ranking in 1999.

    The fact is Rahman at this time had 2 stoppage losses to Maskaev, Tua.

    Ruiz was known as the guy that was stopped in like 10 seconds by Tua.

    Michael Grant was 31-0 had beaten a top 10 ranked Heavyweight in Golota, and also had a bunch of convincing wins over known contenders like Izon, Savarese, Butler, Sullivan, Cole, Gonzalez etc. So he was definitely deserving of his top 10 ranking, and was certainly more highly thought of than the other names that you mentioned at that time.

    As i said the hindsight argument and speculation on H2H match ups is irrelevant.
     
  15. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You can watch the Golota fight and you'll see a top heavyweight beating another top heavyweight.