Why didn't Mike Tyson and George Foreman ever fight?

Funny how Tyson gets no credit for beating guys who were intimidated but somehow this same phenomenon is an asset for Foreman. In any case, intimidation and confidence are moot points when you're being hit with lightning fast counters all night. Tyson was terrible on the inside? Go and watch his fight with Jesse Ferguson for starters.

How would Foreman's clubbing style neutralise Tyson? Who neutralised Tyson in this way?

You've got 40 year old, slow as molasses, plodding, hittable George Foreman who KO'd one top heavyweight in his comeback not just beating, but destroying, a young Mike Tyson, and I'm the one who's not objective?

Tyson won the first two fights handily. Holy had packed on 30lbs of muscle since his cruiser days and was fighting a Tyson who'd had about eight rounds of boxing in five years.

Unlucky for George he's facing a young, motivated, professionally trained Tyson then isn't it?

Old Foreman showed vulnerability whenever he fought a rated heavyweight, either losing, struggling to a close decision or needing a come from behind KO to win.

 

Love it man. Thx

 

No, I think being out of shape, inactive and coming off a loss at 38 and being bribed with a suit case full of money is an inferior fighter to anan active 42 year old coming off a string of wins and confident.

Spinx fought a past his prime inactive Holmes, inactive Cooney who barely landed anything and was stopped quickly, and Tyson. Thats it. Not much to go by determine how good his chin was. If you look at the history of light heavies moving up this is a common trend. They think they have good chins and find out the hard way when they mive up (Billy conn, roy Jones, etc). With the lack of names on his hw resume and the fact tyson blasted him out so quick the best you could argue was that he had an "average" chin since he went the distance with an old Holmes using skill and defense. There isnt a single shred of evidence he has a good, let alone great chin at HW.

He did not ko Ruddock the red waved it off and there were boos. Do you even watch tysons fights or do you just like defending him and arguing?

Tubbs dived to the mat like he was on a diving board. That was faker than the bruce seldon ko.

Thomas was on coke in the 80's

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900311&slug=1060377

His coke habits are the reason Angelo dundee got tired of him. So no he didnt "beat coke when he was a kid" it was vert much an ongoing problem during his adult years and while an active fighter in the 80's. Next time do your research.

Wilson Rodriguez was ranked #10 when foreman kod him.

So thats 1 top 10 guy and an undefeated pineal champ he kod.

I already addressed how Tyson should get credit for beating tubbs but the "ko" was fake af.

Thomas, again legitimate win but an asterisk* because the guy was a drug addict.

That leaves Bruno, berbick, light heavy spinx, and inactive coming off a loss 38 year old holmes as tysons best ko wins. So if your criteria for judging punching power is to focus on "ranked" guys tysons resume isnt tremendously more impressive, especially because even old foreman likelt kos all 4 of those guys.

You take a quote case by case. Holyfield is an honest guy and beat both men so he has no reason to lie. Holmes is a notorious hater and rarely gives people credit. He did later admit tyson hit hard but the difference between him and shavers was that shavers had more raw power and tyson had more speed and explosiveness (getting hit by a truck vs getting hit by a speeding Ferrari). Tyson also was a better finisher so he was able to capitalize on the knockdown.

No it doesn't matter. What part of AT. THE. TIME he fought tyson he was inactive and coming off a loss dont you understand? You think if vanes marterosyn comes back and becomes a champion golovkin will get a bunch of credit for beating an inactive vanes marterosyn?

I repeat he gets credit for the win and being the only guy to ko holmes but you cant just ignore the fact he was not only past his prime but also inactive and coming off a loss. Go on and make a thread asking people what they think if you think im just being a hater. Its no different from anthony joshua vs wladmir klitschko.

I said he had no late round kos past the 7th which is true. They each have only 1 late round ko/tko in the late rounds so theyre even.

Its literally one of the worst possible styles for Tyson. If tyson cant stop him early he will get dragged into a war, a war his fragile bully psyche cant win.

This is a stupid question because no one in the division had tysons combination of speed power and accuracy. The closest would be tommy morrison and foreman walked through his shots like they were water gun bullets. Tommy quickly gave up that plan and decided to box foreman and go for a decision win. The question is why? Be honest.

You are aware Tyson is giving up 8 inches in reach and to land a body shot means he will have to be very close and he might get his head torn off by a sledgehammer hook or pushed back?

Foreman was a brutal body puncher too. Ironically, he proved he could take them and keep going. Hardly anyone went to the body against Tyson.

Holyfield waa 6'2 and a lean 208 with longer arms than Tyson and faster feet. Stop using ABC logic, even their styles are different. This is like saying "vital klitschko was able to land so much on Lennox Lewis, therefore max baer would easily land on Lennox"

Hundreds? When did tyson throw "hundreds" of punches? Hes manny pacquiao now? Lol. Maybe over the course of 12 but certainly not in the first few rounds.

Ive already broken down how hed bully tyson in several posts and in great detail but you keep ignoring them so I'll ignore you until you address them.

I already conceded Tyson speed and explosiveness could lead to a small chance of him getting an early stoppage. You wont concede any point whatsoever which is another annoying trait of Tyson fans.

Foreman vs stewart was a styles issue. Against tyson foreman isnt going to have to chase him down or trying to cut off the ring. Nor is tyson 6'3 with long arms. Tyson will be right in front of him with no intention to back off.

I disagree. Baer was half an inch taller and only 10 only heavier while Foreman has 5 inches in height and 40 lbs over Tyson so thats not a good comparison.

Foreman had flab but he had a lot of muscle underneath. You havent seen the training videos of him chopping wood or pulling trucks or digging? That builds insane red muscle. Its why he stayed on his feet and never got kod as a 40 year old.

He was punched by Cooney wjo some consider a top 5 puncher, alex stewart who had a 90% ko ratio, shannong briggs who has a record for the highest 1st round kos, and tommy Morrison who had a left hook just as vicious as tysons. Yet none of them could drop let alone ko him. Thats why I said tysons chances of even getting a stoppage are low unless the ref is quick to wave it off. Foreman is a behemoth.

 

Speed requires stamina, something foreman had and tyson lacked. It also requires being close enough to actually land, which is dangerous for Tyson because hes so short. Foreman can take it to the body, tysons body toughness is a mystery.

If it becomes a slug fest im going to favor the guy who is taller, stronger, heavier, more experienced, better chin, hits harder, and showed more heart than tyson ever has.

But its true. It doesnt suddenly become false because a bunch of other people said it. When did tyson show heart or get off the floor to win? When did he ever truly adapt or make changes or did deep in a fight?

No you cant. Holmes was inactive and coming off a loss looking for a payday.

I give foreman the advantage in both styles and the strengths:weakness ratio.

There is no "luck" in boxing. Foreman winning late means he was in good condition and stuck to his gameplan and found a way to make it work. Several people have broken that fight down, it was planned very carefully by a shrewd foreman. Even moores trainer tried to warn him, it wasnt just some random fluke hayemaker.

I would be impressed if tyson got off the floor and beat douglas, a mediocre B level 42-1 underdog. I would be impressed if he managed to get off tbe floor and beat holyfield. He didn't, and that destroyed his legacy forever. Foreman got off the floor to ko lyle and won fight of the year.

His style never changes. His goal is never to outpoint the opponent, if they manage to survive he wins due to aggression and punches landed. Since most people were afraid of him or were crappy boxers and he was a world class athlete, this meant it wasnt hard for him to win a dexision. Ruddock hit hard and was tough but was a 1 armed fighter with no defense. Tyson didnt need to do much "adjusting" or fight differently. I give him credit for outpointing the much taller slick tony Tucker even if Tucker supposedly had a broken hand. Other than that, Tyson doesnt exactly have a long list of impressive convincing decisions or fights where he made adjustments on the fly. Feel free to prove me wrong.

 

So what tho? Should we change the result to Douglas KO2 Holyfield?

 

Foreman was considered a joke for ages but people did start to ask questions and ponder the deeper his comeback went. The articles started and i remember reading one in a reputable mag. People were getting curious. There was definitely an element that started to think what if. This element included some notable names too. Marketing or not he did start to capture peoples imagination and curiosity.

 

I think it might have happened had Tyson beaten Douglas easily and had another easy win in 1990. Foreman had just beaten Cooney. I think that was Jan of 1990. Before Douglas I was worried about Foreman. He is so big and physically strong especially in 1990. The punch I see Tyson landing on George which could get him in trouble is the right hand he landed on Larry , yet George crossarmed defense makes it harder. George would have had the strength to back up Mike and land when Mike comes up and starts to back up. If I were in charge of Mike I would have avoided George.

 

I saw his fight with Rodriquez and that left hook. I knew he was not a joke.

 

Holyfield wasn't The MAN until he beat Mike Tyson. He said it himself. He kept losing respect with each additional victory: went the distance with 41 year old Foreman, was saved by the ropes against Bert Cooper, struggled in a unanimous decision victory against 42 year old Larry Holmes and finally gained respect in defeat to Riddick Bowe.

Not saying Holyfield wasn't a great fighter but Buster Douglas took the money and ran. So that's why Holyfield wasn't considered The MAN until he beat Mike Tyson. It plagued Holyfield his entire career. Anyways...

Foreman wasn't a joke after beating Adilson Rodriguez, a guy whose sole ranking was "beating" Bonecrusher Smith by a gift decision in his home country of Brazil. Then Holyfield knocked him out with a single left hook before Foreman beat an already overrated fighter with one shoddy victory to his credit. Foreman wasn't a joke but he wasn't highly rated either.

 

Holyfield held ALL the titles, he was the man as far as Foreman was concerned. Foreman wanted a title shot. If Tyson beat douglas Foreman still would have been after a fight with him.

 

Without a doubt. He fought regularly, trained hard and was very likable. I am just specifically timing him with Tyson .. going into the Holyfield fight most thought very little of Foreman's chances, his marque win over Cooney aside .. by going twelve mostly one sided rounds Foreman earned a level of respect but was again not thought of as any sort of would beater. Most were happy he went the distance and hoped he'd retire. At the same time Tyson was twice fighting Ruddock, considered the most dangerous fighter in the world after he obliterated Dokes. After that the talk was all Tyson fighting Holyfield right up to Tyson's prison dilemma which took Mike out from June 91 to 95 ..

There is little doubt Foreman wanted a Tyson fight because at the end of the day Foreman had a champion's heart and wanted the money such a huge fight would have potentially generated .. my point is that history was kind to George in his comeback and how it all played out. He regained a title against a talented but stylistically flawed Moorer, made a ton of money on the ring, stayed highly marketable ( no images of a bleeding fat man lying on the canvas ) and went on to far greater heights as a pitchman.

 

Holyfield became the man once Tyson lost to Douglas. Foreman wanted the huge money of a Tyson Superfight .. then he took Holyfield which while a smaller fight still had big money and hype but it was all about could George do it .. after it became that the small blown up cruiserweight couldn't match up against the big men , a Holyfield myth that existed till the Bowe fight.