Why didnt Monzon move up?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Silver, Oct 27, 2008.


  1. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

    12,028
    104
    Jun 30, 2008
    I've never seen it, but supposedly Monzon was lucky to get the draw.

    It was before Monzon had reached his true prime though, and he very clearly won the rematch 5 years later.
     
  2. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

    27,199
    91
    Dec 26, 2007
    If a fight was decided by less than 4 points in Argentina they were called draws, which explains the high amounts on certain Argentinian fighters like Monzon and Locche's resumes.
     
  3. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

    34,645
    17,646
    Jul 29, 2004
    Yes he certainly did. But thought that was interesting, whilst not being overly suprising as Briscoe has a very misleading record.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,597
    12,988
    Apr 1, 2007
    You've really got to wonder if that ever inadvertently benefited both of them, though.
     
  5. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

    27,199
    91
    Dec 26, 2007
    According to most accounts, it did just that in Locche's bout with Carlos Ortiz, which was called a draw but most who've seen it scored it clearly for Carlos. I'll give my thoughts on that one in due time.
     
  6. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,597
    12,988
    Apr 1, 2007
    Yeah, so I've heard too.

    Just seems like a safety net for either fighter if they're having a lazy night or bad performance. Maybe both of them should have a few more losses on their records. Who knows.
     
  7. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    21,116
    107
    Oct 9, 2008
    F@#k.... "Duran & Castro" split a pair of fights in BOTH vatos' home countries of Argentina and Panama back in 1997... Funny how each guy got the nod in their OWN back-yard... Go figure? Anyway, BOTH were solid fights that gave the fans their money worth.... Peace...

    MR.BILL
     
  8. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,826
    95
    Aug 5, 2004
    May be able to settle -- once and for all-- with Amilcar Brusa, Monzon's only trainer, why Carlos didn't move up to Lt Hvy.

    See Brusa at various gyms in L.A. (still works mostly with Argentine fighters) He's a gracious elder statesman -- very lucid and straight-forward.
     
  9. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

    4,452
    4
    Dec 5, 2006
    1. He was fighting tough competation at middleweight, and a crop of great welters moving up for good paydays.
    2. Bob Foster
    3. Monzon was an excellent fighter but lets face it he was lazy. I doubt he wanted to try and put on that extra muscle, keep what speed he had, and take the risk moving up we he was undoubtably the best in the world in his division.
     
  10. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

    12,059
    3,558
    Dec 18, 2004

    That would be great. :good
     
  11. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    19,297
    7,042
    Oct 25, 2006
    Very interesting. :good
     
  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    25,495
    2,146
    Oct 22, 2006
    And to a point that should always be the way. You should not be able to beat the champion unless you beat him convincingly. Titles are given away far too cheaply now a days, the champion should always have the benefit of any doubt.
     
  13. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

    12,059
    3,558
    Dec 18, 2004
  14. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,935
    55
    Jul 20, 2004
    Notice Monzon has a ton of draws in South America on his early record. It was the standard in much of South America at the time that pretty much any fight that went the distance and wasn't really dominated by one guy or the other would be called a draw.
     
  15. Marciano Frazier

    Marciano Frazier Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,935
    55
    Jul 20, 2004
    True, and more power to them. But I don't think you can reasonably fault Monzon for sticking around and fighting the best in his own division.