Why didn't Mosley jab more against Mayweather?

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  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    That is why you are still a brainless dickhead.

    I am saying that there is no way that Mosley will win with his strategy. He gasses out after 2 - 3 rounds.

    He could have made the fight closer if he clinched, with lot of wrestling and even tumbling down the mat.

    Hatton actually had success against Mayweather using that strategy.

    However, if you are in Mosley's corner, I am sure that you would have suggested to box it out like what he did in this fight. It would just be an exercise in futility.


    Assuming that Gayweather had hand injury or shoulder injury in the Castillo fight, the more that he would allowed clinching? It seems that your logical thinking is screwed otherwise it would not make sense. A fighter with an injured hand would not actually want to fight close quarters because he is already disadvantaged. Gayweather would have potshotted if he had hand injury.

    Gayweather is not as mobile as he was 5 years ago. He is more stationary now but he has the flexible upper body which bends to a contortionist positions either backwards, forwards to the side, and away from the punch. He is even very predictable with his punches coming from a guard position.

    Mosley just fought the wrong fight. He might not win but he would have won a few more rounds. As it is, Hatton actually won more rounds against Gayweather than Mosley on official scorecards.

    And BTW, I predicted exactly how it would end.- wide UD for Gayweather with Mosley having a moment or two and would gas out, and gas out early. He fought exactly the way you envisioned him to fight. No adjustment at all (which is very Mosley actually).

    I was hoping he would turn that fight into a dirty and ugly looking fight. I guess that is never his style. Just as when Gayweather waited for JMM to initiate action and counterpunched the counterpuncher, Mosley fell to the trap of fighting Gayweather's fight.
     
  2. Jaguar

    Jaguar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If that's the case, why did Shane duck Floyd all the way to the dentist when they were both younger? :huh

    Shane wanted none of Floyd then or now. It's just that now he is/was broke and needed a check.
     
  3. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Hatton didn't win more rounds on the official scorecards, you dumbAZZ.
     
  4. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Mosley never had an strong jab. That and he couldn't beat Mayweather that night as he was getting beat up and neutralized. I do like how he jabbed sometimes against Ruiz & Diaz but even in his prime he didn't ave a heavy jab. He'll paw with it now but he doesn't know how to use it to bust people up. It's a myth that Mosley "never had a jab" just look at his fights with Ruiz & Diaz. His jab was never strong but it was effective when he really wanted to use it. I don't get why people sill give Mosley slack for not fighting Floyd sooner. If anyone, I blame DLH and the fact that he had two fights against Vargas in 06 so how was he suposed to squeeze in a Mayweather fight then? Prove me wrong but I don't recall Mayweather sending Mosley a contract in that time. Talk means nothing when getting a fight signed.
     
  5. JMP

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    I think you answered your own question tbh...Mosley doesn't throw the jab with conviction or protect his chin when he throws it (if he was a real tall welterweight, he would be able to get away with it more against a shorter fighter). He might snap it out there every once in a while, but when he does he's wide open for Floyd's right hand counter. I guess it's simply too late to teach the old dog some new tricks.

    Even Cotto landed some counter right hands over Mosley's jab...I remember a couple in the 1st half of their fight and in the second half, when Cotto landed that straight left hand flush (think it was the 10th), it was because Mosley was pawing with the jab and didn't use his right hand to catch an incoming punch. SSM's head was wide open.
     
  6. hennyguzzla

    hennyguzzla Active Member Full Member

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    Because Mosley doesn't know how to jab! He's never used a good, solid jab. He has a pawing jab.
     
  7. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    how do you think he set up one of those brutal right hands he did manage to jab to the body and go for the overhand right
     
  8. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Mosley doesnt have a good jab... he paws at people!
     
  9. Sunchild78

    Sunchild78 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mosley was never really a jabber to begin with. I guess what I'm trying to say is you can't teach a old dogs new tricks.
     
  10. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLUCihY-cs4[/ame]
     
  11. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What fight did you watch moron? Mosley clinched CONSTANTLY! :lol:

    I may be brainless, but you don't know ANYTHING about Boxing! :deal

    No idiot. If I was in Mosley's corner I would have told him to retire when he was out boxed by Mayorga and was saved by a KO. Mosley had no chance. Never did and that is why he ducked FMJ for years.

    YDKSAB! He was boxing his socks off! The injury was to his LEFT shoulder (rotator cuff). The best thing to do was to gain points through the fight, when the shoulder becomes too painful, THEN you get in close put your shoulder in his face and bang him with straights and uppercuts. You have never stepped foot in a gym though so stuff like that makes no sense to you. :lol:

    Who cares idiot? You don't need to move when you have a reach, speed, and skill advantage. You can stand right in front of him and bang him out. Like he did.

    There was no fight he could have fought in his war chest that would have won it. Review his loses. All to patient smart Boxers. Period.

    Anybody could have predicted that idiot. Mayweather said it constantly during the 24 7.

    A dirty fight would have gotten him nothing but warnings. He already clinched constantly. When he tried to close he was sniped with a hard jab or straight right. You don't know what the hell is happening because you have never hit or been hit trying to make a fight "dirty". It ain't as easy as it looks you moron. It takes a hell of a skill to wrap a guy up, get work, and not get your head rocked constantly. ESPECIALLY a fast counter puncher!

    They can't help but fight his fight.
     
  12. elTerrible

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    Yeah, mosley and nazim's plan A worked well, they almost dropped floyd, after floyd got wobbled is when he switched to the high guard and shane was stuck trying to land that same punch again but couldnt because floyd was on plan B and blocking it. Mosley didnt adapt to floyd's adaption, which as you said would have been going to the body now that floyd changed his defense and left that exposed to protect upstairs from the right hand
     
  13. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Going to the body can make it even easier to be countered. Shane was ****ed:deal
     
  14. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The question still remains. Why do guys like Mosley and others not utilize the jab more when it's such a fundamental weapon? Anyone who uses a fast, stiff jab increases his chances of winning compared to not having one at all. It's so fundamental!!

    I know that some fighter's strong hand is their jab hand (DLH, Winky, etc) and that's why they have amazing jabs but a lot of training should give any professional a solid jab. I mean i don't know how many fights i watch where guys don't use the jab to set up their power shot and you wonder why they aren't landing anything. How about throwing the jab?

    What's going on? Bad trainers? Bad habits since they were kids? I mean can't jab be learned and improved upon?
     
  15. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Gayweather vs. Hatton

    Paul Smith - 88-82 after 9 rounds (7 rounds to 2), Moretti, clemens 89-81 (8 rpunds to 1)


    Gayweather vs. Mosley

    Moretti and Byrd - 119 - 109 (11 rounds to 1 round), Hoyle - 118 - 110 (10 to 2 rounds)

    Hatton = Mosley?